Bill Clinton's DNC Speech packed with lie after lie, after lie!

[News Is Broken]

Originally Posted by 22

Once again... I must point out that those you speak of here (with the exception of the second statement) are NOT REPUBLICANS. I am not sure what they are, but they are ruining the party.

They most certainly are Republicans, 22. If conservative voters want things to change, I suggest looking for more than "not a Democrat" when electing people to office.

[Pro]

Originally Posted by News Is Broken

They most certainly are Republicans, 22. If conservative voters want things to change, I suggest looking for more than "not a Democrat" when electing people to office.

More than that, they shouldn't use: "He/she said he/she may cooperate with Democrats!" as a weapon against candidates in their primaries.

[News Is Broken]

Originally Posted by Pro

More than that, they shouldn't use: "He/she said he/she may cooperate with Democrats!" as a weapon against candidates in their primaries.

Exactly! Since when did "works well with others" become a liability? It's time to once again focus on the will of the people and not the will of the party.

Perhaps likeminded folks such as you and I should start our own grassroots movement, called the Pragmatist Party where common sense and common decency are once again things candidates should have.

[Pro]

Originally Posted by News Is Broken

Exactly! Since when did "works well with others" become a liability? It's time to once again focus on the will of the people and not the will of the party.

Problem with that is the "people" don't fund campaigns. Money comes from extremist groups. And they demand "no compromise" if a Republican candidate wants money from them.

And also "the people" don't have a good record for voting in primaries. Who does? Extremists.

[22]

Have the two of you seen the link?

[22]

Originally Posted by News Is Broken

They most certainly are Republicans, 22. If conservative voters want things to change, I suggest looking for more than "not a Democrat" when electing people to office.

My choice of voting Romney is not because he is not a Democrat. It is because he is not Obama. I have never said I would vote for someone because they are not a Democrat. Never.

[Pro]

Originally Posted by 22

It is because he is not Obama.

Would you vote for any Republican who "wasn't Obama"?

[22]

Originally Posted by Pro

Would you vote for any Republican who "wasn't Obama"?

Boy, that's tough... but a fair question. I could not vote for one of the Tea Party types. Heck, I couldn't vote for Santorum, or Bachman. So no... not just anyone who was not Obama. But then I probably would thow away my vote on the Libertaraian or just not vote.

[News Is Broken]

Originally Posted by 22

Have the two of you seen the link?

Haven't watched it yet - still at work. I will check it out though.

Originally Posted by 22

My choice of voting Romney is not because he is not a Democrat. It is because he is not Obama.

You may find yourself disappointed then.

[Union Label]

Originally Posted by News Is Broken

Of course right wingers won't remember that, Pro.

They don't remember encouraging people to attend town halls and shout down their elected representatives and waste time reading nonsensical manifestos so a real debate about health care reform could not take place.

They don't remember the GOP holding the economy hostage by playing chicken with the debt ceiling resulting in a downgrade they later blamed on Obama and his "failure to compromise" which really was only a failure to cave in to their ridiculous and pointless demands.

They don't remember members of their party who embarrassed themselves by heckling the President during his state of the union address with shouts of "you lie".

They don't remember one of their most prominent members was at the helm of this country for eight years, whose disastrous presidency put this country in many of the messes it is still trying to clean up today.

They don't remember that "drill baby drill" and "trickle down economics" are old, tired, recycled ideas that were proven demonstrably false years ago.

They just don't remember history, Pro. At least not the many, many parts of it that make them look bad. That's why the Democrats had a former President speak at their convention while the Republican's keynote speaker was an old man talking to a chair.

Heh. So much for "an elephant never forgets", huh?

You have to admit, that's a lot of stuff to remember

[News Is Broken]

Originally Posted by Union Label

You have to admit, that's a lot of stuff to remember

Heh.

[Fire Hydrogant]

Originally Posted by 22

Once again... I must point out that those you speak of here (with the exception of the second statement) are NOT REPUBLICANS. I am not sure what they are, but they are ruining the party.

But Sorkin gets it. I hope you have seen this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAjX2aiX3PM

Jeff Daniels, just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this, and totally redeem yourself!!!


On another note, not that I disagree with what this anchor (or commentator?) played by Floyd from Dumb and Dumber is saying. -But, why are all the cutaways in that "Newsroom" scene just showing the production people sitting there mesmerized by the content of the commentary? In real life, wouldn't they be busy switching and bringing up the next graphic, and riding audio levels, and carefully watching that the teleprompter is cued properly and running at the right speed? Wouldn't the studio camera people be busy making sure that he's still framed properly just in case he leans left or right or slumps down or sits up too straight during his commentary? Wouldn't the director/producer be busy talking on headsets to the production crew people about all those technical details?

[Fire Hydrogant]

Originally Posted by News Is Broken

They don't remember members of their party who embarrassed themselves by heckling the President during his state of the union address with shouts of "you lie".

Originally Posted by 22

those you speak of here (with the exception of the second statement) are NOT REPUBLICANS.

Joe Wilson's not a Republican?

[22]

Originally Posted by Fire Hydrogant

Joe Wilson's not a Republican?

Was Torquemada really a Christian?

[Pro]

Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?

[22]

Originally Posted by Pro

Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?

Stop it. I'm on a roll.

[Pro]

Originally Posted by 22

Stop it. I'm on a roll.

Well, this situation calls for a really futile and stupid gesture. And you're just the guy to do it.

[Marty McFly]

Originally Posted by Pro

Those were different Republicans. They were Republicans like Bob Dole, willing to make deals and compromise. Today's Republicans aren't willing to do that. If a Republican Member of Congress even says they might be willing to make a deal with the Democrats, they'll face a primary challenge - and often will lose in that primary.

Are you telling us what will happen in the future or do you have facts to back this up?

Or are you just trying to keep your post count at the top?

[Pro]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

Are you telling us what will happen in the future or do you have facts to back this up?

It would appear that you challenge me to increase your post count. Or you're just plain obsessed.

But if you want an example of this:

The anti-Lugar charge was led by the Club for Growth and FreedomWorks, which routinely pick inexpensive states and vulnerable Republican incumbents, attacking them for moderate votes.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ar-in-indiana/

Two years ago, several centrist Republicans were toppled by tea party-backed candidates.

It may have worked in times gone by, but in 2012 politics, his argument that he reaches across the aisle was a negative for Lugar, something he lamented in the face of his landslide loss.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/politi...ter/index.html

[Marty McFly]

Well if it happened there, it will surely happen everywhere!!

Maybe voters felt there was a better choice?

[Pro]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

Maybe voters felt there was a better choice?

Those influenced by those outside groups who spent a lot of money to get certain Republican incumbents defeated in their primaries.

[Marty McFly]

So the influence was wrong? Misinformed?

[Pro]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

So the influence was wrong? Misinformed?

Nope. Just persuasive. To the Republicans who voted in those primaries, anyway. Primary voters tend to be "true believers", anyway.

[Stormtracker_Tony]

Originally Posted by MOCR

But would he inhale?

He lets Monica do that.

[Sultanosurf]

Originally Posted by Fire Hydrogant

...why are all the cutaways in that "Newsroom" scene just showing the production people sitting there mesmerized by the content of the commentary? In real life, wouldn't they be busy switching and bringing up the next graphic...

Or laughing at his nose hair, watching Comedy Central instead, or making fun of the interns?

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

Look at Woodward's latest book for more examples...

Haven't gotten to it yet. Worth the read?