Obama Daily Policy "Refine"

[From the Right]

With the dawning of a new day Obama "refines" another policy. Once again Obama is "Change You Can Count On!"
Clip from AP Wire:
By TOM RAUM
Associated Press Writer
CHICAGO (AP) -- In a reversal, Barack Obama is proposing tapping
the nation's strategic oil reserves to help drive down gasoline
prices, his campaign said Monday.

[FD2BLK]

Originally Posted by From the Right

With the dawning of a new day Obama "refines" another policy. Once again Obama is "Change You Can Count On!"
Clip from AP Wire:
By TOM RAUM
Associated Press Writer
CHICAGO (AP) -- In a reversal, Barack Obama is proposing tapping
the nation's strategic oil reserves to help drive down gasoline
prices, his campaign said Monday.

So, it's only bad when Obama "refines his position" right?

[From the Right]

Originally Posted by FD2BLK

So, it's only bad when Obama "refines his position" right?

Just getting a little hard to keep up. When he said he was for "change" he wasn't kidding. He "changes" every day. I give him credit, he's sticking to one position....CHANGE!

[FD2BLK]

Originally Posted by From the Right

Just getting a little hard to keep up. When he said he was for "change" he wasn't kidding. He "changes" every day. I give him credit, he's sticking to one position....CHANGE!

Yet you've said you like that McCain has refined some of his positions...

[Kace]

[tater]

[FD2BLK]

McKinney '08

[From the Right]

Originally Posted by FD2BLK

Yet you've said you like that McCain has refined some of his positions...

You keep coming back to this FD so I'll address. I said in a post probably a month ago, at least, that I was happy to see McCain "refining" a position (it was so long ago I can't even remember the issue). My point at the time was that the term "refining" was never used by the media for a McCain issue but only for Obama.

The fact I can't even remember what I was talking about with McCain yet we have at least 2 "refinings" by Obama in the week is what's truly at issue. I figure at this rate, Obama might just "refine" himself more to the right (considering he can't go any further left) by November.

[FD2BLK]

Originally Posted by From the Right

You keep coming back to this FD so I'll address. I said in a post probably a month ago, at least, that I was happy to see McCain "refining" a position (it was so long ago I can't even remember the issue). My point at the time was that the term "refining" was never used by the media for a McCain issue but only for Obama.

The fact I can't even remember what I was talking about with McCain yet we have at least 2 "refinings" by Obama in the week is what's truly at issue. I figure at this rate, Obama might just "refine" himself more to the right (considering he can't go any further left) by November.

But in the same thread you wanted Obama to be labeled a flip-flipper. I don't see the media puting that label on McCain either.

[From the Right]

Originally Posted by FD2BLK

But in the same thread you wanted Obama to be labeled a flip-flipper. I don't see the media puting that label on McCain either.

McCain doesn't "refine" a position almost daily as has become the case with Obama. I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to maintain their position 100% on every issue. There's room for "refining" as the Obama media now refer to it. What's the bigger issue that doesn't get any play with the National Barrack Company, the American Barrack Company or the Columbian Barrack System news departments is the fact Obama continues to change positions on issues. It was a huge issue with Kerry (flip-flopper) but nobody seems to care when Obama does it. It's hailed as intellectual. It's fine to change an opinion but Obama changes with the polls. Energy is an issue....OK, let drill offshore....OK, let's release some of the reserve. It's becoming almost laughable. I think it's more admirable to have a position and stand by it....at least for a couple days.

[Pro]

Originally Posted by From the Right

McCain doesn't "refine" a position almost daily as has become the case with Obama.

Huh? Which McCain are you referring to? The one who opposed the Bush tax cuts? The one who opposed offshore drilling? The one who promised to run a "positive" campaign"? The McCain who is running for President is a hell of a lot different than the McCain who was considered a "maverick" Senator.

Originally Posted by From the Right

I think it's more admirable to have a position and stand by it.

You mean like McCain did on tax cuts, offshore drilling and positive camapigning?

[Jax]

Originally Posted by From the Right

McCain doesn't "refine" a position almost daily as has become the case with Obama.

Anyone wanna humor me and point out what his daily refines have been?

[Mr. Rugen]

I hate having a leader that is always trying to learn more about the issues of our people. In my opinion he should pick a position and stick to it no matter what happens.

[buckpasser]

John McCain was against offshore drilling in early June of this year.

McCain also voted against the Bush tax cuts. He now supports them.

McCain also proposed the Kennedy-McCain Immigration Bill. Less than a year later, he said he would veto his. own. bill.


So you have the three domestic issues Republicans are running on: energy, tax cuts, and immigration, and you see McCain flip-flopped on all three. And he JUST flip-flopped. He's been in Washington almost 30 years, and he just changed his positions on the issues that matter most.


Republicans not only don't care, they seem to go out of their way to not care.

You have Republicans who have basically gone, "all in", on Obama hatred, and to even mention McCain makes them put their hands over their ears and shout, "I am not listening to you...LA LA LA LA LA".

I don't see McCain's stance on issues changing any Republican's mind. Their vote is based on Obama (or any Democrat) and not how Conservative, etc. the Republican may or may not be.

[From the Right]

Originally Posted by Pro

Huh? The one who promised to run a "positive" campaign"?

This one kills me every time. McCain puts out an ad and it's an ATTACK. Obama puts out an ad and it's a response. There's nothing "negative" about comparing Obama to Hilton and Spears. It's true. People throng around this guy that's got NO record. Talk about style over substance. He's such a great speaker, he's so good looking.....blah blah. Seems anytime the truth hits too close to home it's labeled "negative."

What's Obama done? He spent less than 200 days in the Senate before announcing his candidacy. What's he going to do for the country that won't tax me into poverty? How's he going to WIN the war on terrorism? How's he going to keep America safe?

Nobody knows but he give a nice speech and looks good in a suit. That will serve us well. There are plenty of American's that can wear a suit and give a speech, I don't want them to be my President.

Obama, "change" you can count on.....DAILY!

[Diplomat]

If one can explain one's rationale for changing a position, I am willing to listen.
Both McCain and Obama have made adjustments in their positions. When a politician changes a PRINCIPLE, then I have more of a problem.

McCain is the same guy he always has been. And I assume Obama is, as well, although we don't know as much about him as we do McCain, simply because McCain has been around longer.

[Tripe Face]

Boy, if you believe the OP, Obama's almost as bad as that guy from Arizona... remember him?

McCain reversal #1
In 2003, Sen. John McCain said that ethanol "does nothing to reduce fuel consumption, nothing to increase our energy independence, nothing to improve air quality." Campaigning in Iowa in August 2006, he described ethanol as a "vital alternative energy source, not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse reduction effects."

McCain reversal #2
He voted to ban drilling in ANWR in 2005. Now he's all for it.

McCain reversal #3
On the issue of Social Security Privatization; On November 18, 2004 McCain announced, “Without privatization, I don’t see how you can possibly, over time, make sure that young Americans are able to receive Social Security benefits.” And in March 2003, McCain backed his President, declaring, “As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it - along the lines that President Bush proposed.”
In June, Mr. Straight Talk proclaimed at a New Hampshire event, “I’m not for, quote, privatizing Social Security. I never have been. I never will be.”

McCain reversal #4
On the Estate Tax;
On June 8, 2006, McCain on the Senate floor expressed his agreement with Teddy Roosevelt that “most great civilized countries have an income tax and an inheritance tax” and “in my judgment both should be part of our system of federal taxation.”
But after years of battling Republican colleagues dead-set on dismantling the so-called “death tax” and instead promoting a $5 million trigger, on Tuesday John McCain sounded the retreat. Now, he insists, “the estate tax is one of the most unfair tax laws on the books.”


Jeez,
if this guy did anymore flip-flops, the US Olympic team would be sending him the Beijing to win us a Gold Medal in platform diving.

[FD2BLK]

Originally Posted by Tripe Face

[snip]

if this guy did anymore flip-flops, the US Olympic team would be sending him the Beijing to win us a Gold Medal in platform diving.

Tripe, haven't you been reading? When it's Obama it's a flip-flop. When it's McCain he's "refining his position."

[Sultanosurf]

One person who won't be changing their political stance -- your Medialine poster:

[Tripe Face]

Originally Posted by FD2BLK

Tripe, haven't you been reading? When it's Obama it's a flip-flop. When it's McCain he's "refining his position."

Oh, I should have known... Republicans love refining... oil especially!

[jhans24]

Originally Posted by FD2BLK

Tripe, haven't you been reading? When it's Obama it's a flip-flop. When it's McCain he's "refining his position."

Wow, you just don't seem to get it. Kerry does it and is called a flip-flopper. McCain does it and is called a flip-flopper. Obama does it and he's refining his position.

All we've learned is that both of them are willing to pander to popular opinion for votes, and neither party should criticize a flaw they both have.

[FD2BLK]

Originally Posted by jhans24

Wow, you just don't seem to get it. Kerry does it and is called a flip-flopper. McCain does it and is called a flip-flopper. Obama does it and he's refining his position.

All we've learned is that both of them are willing to pander to popular opinion for votes, and neither party should criticize a flaw they both have.

Oh, I get it. I'm just teasing FTR because he so wants the flip flip label to stick to Obama like it did to Kerry. But he doesn't want it on McCain.

[Lazlo Toth]

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Kace]

What happened to all the McCain threads?

[News Is Broken]

Originally Posted by Kace

What happened to all the McCain threads?

They were "refined" into Obama threads.