Nov 4th 2009, 01:50 PM
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NBC could have gone this route, but chances are these shows would get even lower numbers than Leno does now. |
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Nov 5th 2009, 01:44 AM
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Here's another article you may want to read on the subject:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/04...eno-show/32641 |
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Nov 5th 2009, 04:59 AM
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Meat of the matter: Formula for Leno's show. The Tonight Show appeal is a monologue that follows news. Paar, Carson, Leno, Conan, Letterman all riff on the news you just watched. It's good flow.
Scripted programming or even reality shows build to a conclusion. From Perry Mason through ER and the L&Os, or even Amazing Race or Idol, you're there for the whole hour to see how it all wraps up. Then you watch the news you saw teased throughout. Leno's show just isn't conducive to the flow. The monologue is the peak, but then, c'mon, who's guaranteed to stick for the whole hour to see Jay-walking, goofy stunts, or god-forbid yet another interview with some marginal actor? Ancier might not have been a good programming fit, but the numbers were good. Zucker's cheap stopgap answers in trying to strip Oprah or Leno has pointed out the obvious mess NBC is in, and the news ops, O&Os too, are right to howl. The erosion formula for the Leno show was the first thing everybody thought about when the Zucker announcement came out, and it's just being proved out with numbers... |
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Nov 5th 2009, 05:31 AM
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Nov 5th 2009, 06:32 AM
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Nov 5th 2009, 07:25 AM
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I don't think anyone here was talking about pay-cable nets like HBO, but the high-quality dramas that one finds on the 'commercially-fueled' cable nets.
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Nov 5th 2009, 07:26 AM
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I watch on Monday Nights for the monologue and headlines.
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Nov 5th 2009, 01:55 PM
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And, as I said, most of these series don't make 22 episodes per season, the minimum a network usually requires for a time period. That's OK for a cable network. Not so much for a broadcast network. It isn't unusual for a cable network to run its, say, 15-20 new episodes of a series then come back with it's "new" season a year or more later. They'll keep re-running the older episodes over and over again. A broadcast network can't get away with that, its audience is constantly demanding "new" episodes/programs. |
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Nov 5th 2009, 04:17 PM
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If you've recorded Leno, you can still fast-forward through the commercials..Heck, I did that with broadcast tv 20 years ago with my VHS recorder. Set the timer to record a show and then play the tape back whenever I felt like it (always skipping the commercials)
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Nov 6th 2009, 01:56 AM
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Nov 6th 2009, 02:23 AM
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are on our way to an on-demand world. In many ways, we are already there. Cable networks are simply following the lead of other non-American networks. The BBC model of starting with a six or 13 episode to see if a series will succeed or fail eliminates two things -- the unfulfilled expectations of a series cancelled for non-interest after one or two episodes (common in American broadcast television) and the financial expense of supporting a 22 episode season (even if a show is cancelled after a couple of iffy episodes, many more of those episodes were already made so the expense has already been shelled out). The shorter seasons also work better for the DVD market, which can sell seasons cheaper when they're half or less of the 22 episodes we're already expecting.
The Brits have the longest running sitcom in history (Last of the Summer Wine, now in its 638th season, or something like that) and the longest running sci-fi program (Doctor Who). Neither has ever run on the expectations that American broadcasters had as far as number of episodes in a season. Each is renewed by the Beeb after the season, and a certain number of episodes is ordered. The 22 episode season, by the way, came from the idea of a yearly schedule for television. 22 episodes covered 44 weeks - assuming that every episode would be rerun later in the year. The other eight weeks of the year were assumed to be for special programming, usually around the holidays. And I really shouldn't be up right now so there's that.
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Nov 6th 2009, 04:33 AM
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Well, we can all project like know-it-alls, but the reality remains that the natives are restless at the NBC news ops.
One thing we can all agree on: Jeff Zucker doesn't know anything more than we do... |
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Don't know if this means anything, but I noticed tonight that Leno did "Headlines" immediately after the monologue (as he did on the Tonight Show) and did another comedy bit at the close of the show. Previously he held his signature bits (Headlines, Jaywalking) for the final segment. He also didn't have a "comedy correspondant": except for a few, they were pretty unfunny, anyway.
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Nov 10th 2009, 04:22 AM
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NBC must've been ecstatic to have you (Or anybody else) watching...
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Nov 10th 2009, 04:59 AM
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Is he still ON?
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People watch NBC?
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I was watching the Steelers beat the Broncos last night.
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As ecstatic as they are not to be spending tens of millions of dollars to pay for hour long dramas that nobody would watch? |
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