Obama on killing babies

[MidwestNewsGuy]

I'm pro-choice, but this is just crossing the line. I'd be curious to see how many pro-choice people out there support this kind of murder of innocent babies who are born alive?

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=4f6044ad-95ae-42a4-8070-377895da0194&headline=Jonah+Goldberg%3a+Christian+Obama+vs.+pol itician+Obama

[From the Right]

I have no stand on the issue, it's "above my pay grade!"

Only Obama could be asked a question about one of hottest issues of the last 30 years and in effect say, "I don't have to answer that question" and is given a free pass in the days after.

Meantime the National Barrack Channel continues to be more concerned whether or not McCain was locked in isolation for the first 2 questions of the debate or if he was in his car.

[Jax]

I heard he kills babies in his basement and serves them for supper.

[JoinUsForCake]

Only Obama could be asked a question about one of hottest issues of the last 30 years and in effect say, "I don't have to answer that question" and is given a free pass in the days after.
Obama! Free pass! Obama! Press fawns over him! Obama free pass! Obama! Liberal media in love with him! Obama! Free pass!

Get a new talking point, Fox News contributors.

*boooooorrrrring*

[Another side]

I, too, am pro-choice. But if the columnist is right, and the nurse's tale of woe was not an isolated incident still searching for an explanation, then the practice of leaving a live baby alone, to die, with no one to love it, disgusts me and someone should be charged with a crime.

[From the Right]

Obama! Free pass! Obama! Press fawns over him! Obama free pass! Obama! Liberal media in love with him! Obama! Free pass!

Get a new talking point, Fox News contributors.

*boooooorrrrring*

Thanks for nothing, guess you can't dispute the fact with facts. Nice effort....

[Mighty Dyckerson]

...the practice of leaving a live baby alone, to die, with no one to love it, disgusts me and someone should be charged with a crime.

Whoa, let's not rush to judgment. You don't even know if the baby was Republican or Democrat.

[The Mockingbird]

Now that's comedy.

[tater]

I heard he kills babies in his basement and serves them for supper.

...and this is one of his regular guests.

http://www.alanjohns.fsnet.co.uk/goldmember/fat-bastard.jpg

[Murphy Brown 2003]

I, too, am pro-choice. But if the columnist is right, and the nurse's tale of woe was not an isolated incident still searching for an explanation, then the practice of leaving a live baby alone, to die, with no one to love it, disgusts me and someone should be charged with a crime.

It's all over the Internet. The case was what spurred the legislation and Obama voted against the legislation, even after the committee he served on added language that would protect Roe v. Wade. Identical legislation passed the U.S. Senate unanimously.

As usual, the only network running the story is FOX. I suspect this will blow up a bit more in the lead-up to the DNC and MSNBC will have no choice but to cover it at the last possible minute, kind of like Rev. Wright.

[commercial hack]

Interesting column. We all know politicians speak out of both sides of their mouths. We know McCain has, but it just seems that Obama contradicts himself quite a bit. Has he reverted to the "say anything to get elected" tactic?

[jhans24]

Interesting column. We all know politicians speak out of both sides of their mouths. We know McCain has, but it just seems that Obama contradicts himself quite a bit. Has he reverted to the "say anything to get elected" tactic?

Both of them have. For McCain supporters to call him out on it is a joke. Sure, my guy has robbed a bank but your guy has robbed two. Humorous really.

[buckpasser]

Republicans have been rolling the, "we are good because the opposite side is worse" for a looooooooong time.

Since 1988, I believe. Once Reagan left, Republicans dropped conservatism for, "anti-Democrat"ism. Talk radio and Fox News helped complete the transition.

[jhans24]

Republicans have been rolling the, "we are good because the opposite side is worse" for a looooooooong time.

Since 1988, I believe. Once Reagan left, Republicans dropped conservatism for, "anti-Democrat"ism. Talk radio and Fox News helped complete the transition.

So would you prefer to be called the pot or the kettle?

[Kace]

Bob Barr doesn't believe in killing babies. :whistle:

[buckpasser]

Democrats find their identity in their beliefs, ideas.

Republicans find their identity in dividing their world into two sides: good and evil. Then they define Democrats as the evil side, which allows them to define themselves as good without having to actually talk about themselves.

Dems don't do that. That's why they have Obama.

Repubs do that. That's how they ended up with McCain. He's a "default" candidate who drew into the 30% range, but won the nomination because Repubs just wanted it over.

Notice McCain's campaign is all about Obama?

[Kace]

So...ummm...'bout that question I asked ya the other day...

[jhans24]

Democrats find their identity in their beliefs, ideas.

Republicans find their identity in dividing their world into two sides: good and evil. Then they define Democrats as the evil side, which allows them to define themselves as good without having to actually talk about themselves.

Dems don't do that. That's why they have Obama.

Repubs do that. That's how they ended up with McCain. He's a "default" candidate who drew into the 30% range, but won the nomination because Repubs just wanted it over.

Notice McCain's campaign is all about Obama?

Democrats don't do that? They stop just short of saying coorporations are evil and they get free handouts. We only care about the poor and middle class. Using class warfare isn't divisive?

And sure you'll think McCain ads are only about Obama if you only pay attention to stuff that supports your theory. I have seen numerous commercials by both candidates touting their own record. I have also seen numerous commercials by both candidates criticizing their opponents.

[Kace]

Yeah, but has McCain killed any babies? :whistle:

[Mighty Dyckerson]

Yeah, but has McCain killed any babies? :whistle:

Can you prove he hasn't? Makes you think, doesn't it??

[Kace]

What happens in Vietnam stays in Vietnam?

[jhans24]

Can you prove he hasn't? Makes you think, doesn't it??

So Senator McCain, when did you stop killing babies?

[buckpasser]

He probably can't remember Vietnam...


If he does, he'd probably have to get back with you after he checked with Bush's former advisor now running his campaign.

[jhans24]

Buckpasser,

Did you hear Obama's new commercial today? He does an excellent job espousing democratic ideals and his own ideas via McCain's inability to know how many houses he owns.

I guess it's like you always say Democrats just rail on Republicans and don't actually stand for anything. Hold on, did I get that backwards?

[JoinUsForCake]

Thanks for nothing, guess you can't dispute the fact with facts. Nice effort....
The link is to an opinion piece, jack@$$. Obama said the law he was against would undermine Roe v. Wade and I take his word for it. "ACTIVIST JUDGES" on the right have tried their damndest to chip away at Roe v. Wade constantly and Obama was just "stickin'
to his guns" - I thought that was an admirable trait amongst people of minimal brain wave activity such as yourself.

[Clever Login Name]

The link is to an opinion piece, jack@$$. Obama said the law he was against would undermine Roe v. Wade and I take his word for it. "ACTIVIST JUDGES" on the right have tried their damndest to chip away at Roe v. Wade constantly and Obama was just "stickin'
to his guns" - I thought that was an admirable trait amongst people of minimal brain wave activity such as yourself.

You're absolutely right. The Constitutional right to have an abortion is definitely being threatened by these right-wing activist judges.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

The link is to an opinion piece, jack@$$. Obama said the law he was against would undermine Roe v. Wade and I take his word for it. "ACTIVIST JUDGES" on the right have tried their damndest to chip away at Roe v. Wade constantly and Obama was just "stickin'
to his guns" - I thought that was an admirable trait amongst people of minimal brain wave activity such as yourself.

I'll be blunt -- Obama's a liar.

All you have to do is search the web for articles about this issue. He initially denied he ever even voted against this bill, then when it was clear that he had to confess, he brought up the Roe v. Wade argument, even though his own committee added language specific to protecting Roe v. Wade and he STILL voted against it. Then he said that if the bill in Illinois had been like the federal bill (which passed unanimously by the way), he would have voted for it. Low and behold, the bills were identical.

Frankly, I think he's so confused about the issue that even he doesn't know where he stands and he's twisting himself like a pretzel trying to wriggle his way out of it.

[Pro]

He initially denied he ever even voted against this bill, then when it was clear that he had to confess, he brought up the Roe v. Wade argument, even though his own committee added language specific to protecting Roe v. Wade and he STILL voted against it. Then he said that if the bill in Illinois had been like the federal bill (which passed unanimously by the way), he would have voted for it. Low and behold, the bills were identical.

YOU made the charge...YOU provide the proof.

[From the Right]

The link is to an opinion piece, jack@$$. Obama said the law he was against would undermine Roe v. Wade and I take his word for it. "ACTIVIST JUDGES" on the right have tried their damndest to chip away at Roe v. Wade constantly and Obama was just "stickin'
to his guns" - I thought that was an admirable trait amongst people of minimal brain wave activity such as yourself.

Obama sticking to his guns....now that's RICH! He's sure one to "stick to his guns" (see: Rev. Wright, Offshore Drilling, Public $$ for campaign etc. etc.)Maybe making a big decision like this is "above his pay grade."

Truth be told he voted more than once against Illinois "born alive infant protection act." He gave a different reason each time. Obama decided that by golly, the woman chose to have an abortion and by God, that baby's gonna die even if it comes out alive. Perhaps this is the first decision Obama's made that truly is "above his pay grade."

I won't source everything I said for fear of it not being a credible enough source for you so try a simple google search: (obama born alive infant protection act) should give you enough information. If you're comfortable with that going on in your hospitals than that's your business.

[Pro]

Once again, ther person making the charge should provide the proof.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

YOU made the charge...YOU provide the proof.

What part do you want proof on exactly? The fact that he voted against it? The fact that he lied about his reason? I have a feeling that anything short of Barack Obama admitting "I lied, I'm a baby killer," you're going to make excuses. All you have to do is google it if you're really interested in informing yourself, but you're not. You're only interested in arguing semantics.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

I'm feeling generous today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/did_obama_lie_about_

[Pro]

Link doesn't work.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/did_obama_lie_about_born_alive.html

[Clever Login Name]

No, you misunderstood. The link doesn't work because it doesn't say what Pro wants to hear.

[Pro]

No, you misunderstood. The link doesn't work because it doesn't say what Pro wants to hear.

Try the original link before popping off. See for yourself.

[Clever Login Name]

Try the original link before popping off. See for yourself.

Oh, I'm quite sure the first link didn't work. I'm also quite sure the second one doesn't work for you either, for the reason stated above.

[Pro]

I'm also quite sure the second one doesn't work for you either, for the reason stated above.

Now you're just making things up. I never said it didn't.

[Clever Login Name]

Now you're just making things up. I never said it didn't.

You WOULD say that. Very telling ...

[Pro]

You WOULD say that. Very telling ...

What? That I never said what you are accusing me of? I wasn't expressing an opinion.

[Clever Login Name]

What? That I never said what you are accusing me of? I wasn't expressing an opinion.

That's your opinion.

[Pro]

That's your opinion.

No, that's a fact.

Not that you'd know the difference.

[Produce man]

"Obama said the law he was against would undermine Roe v. Wade and I take his word for it."

BIG mistake.

[Produce man]

No, that's a fact.
Only when you state it. You've got a track record here.

[Mighty Dyckerson]

Only when you state it. You've got a track record here.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Look who's talking, Douche!

[JoinUsForCake]

You're absolutely right. The Constitutional right to have an abortion is definitely being threatened by these right-wing activist judges.
I know I am right. If McCain gets elected, get your coat hangers ready, girls!

[Produce man]

I know I am right. If McCain gets elected, get your coat hangers ready, girls!And liberals accuse conservatives of fear-mongering...:rolleyes:

[JoinUsForCake]

And liberals accuse conservatives of fear-mongering...:rolleyes:
...OK ...don't you have some Britney Spears or Paris Hilton video to splice into a campaign ad or something... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[From the Right]

No, that's a fact.

Not that you'd know the difference.

And now Pro has sucessfully gotten off topic into some ridiculous battle of semantics.

Pro, have you read the article. Have you seen the "proof" you required? Do you have any further comment that might be relevant to the topic?

[Kace]

Or Coat Hangering.

[Pro]

Only when you state it. You've got a track record here.

Yeah? Who falsely accused me of deleting a thread?

Next?

[Pro]

Pro, have you read the article. Have you seen the "proof" you required? Do you have any further comment that might be relevant to the topic?

I don't accept anything in the National Review as "proof". Same as you wouldn't accept anything from the Daily Kos as "proof" (and neither would I).

[Spike]

Here's what I don't understand:

Jill Stanek is the nurse who testified. She says that she found an aborted fetus that had survived the procedure, and that she held it for 45 minutes until it died.

Jill Stanek alleges herself to be a medical professional. If Jill Stanek felt she was holding a person who could have been saved if it had been given medical attention, why didn't she save it? She argues that nobody would give the fetus medical attention, but there she was, a medical professional not giving the fetus medical attention herself.

The pieces just don't add up.

I suspect that the reality was that the fetus wasn't truly viable. She didn't try to save it because there was nothing to be done, and she knew it. That's the case with almost all of these fetuses. She tries to spin this story a different way because she is an anti-abortion activist.

So, if the chances are next to none that providing medical attention will save one of these aborted fetuses, then the real purpose of the bill could not have been to "save babies" that had been aborted, but in some small way to discourage pregnant women from seeking abortions in the first place. That's basically what Obama said about the bill when he spoke against it in the Illinois legislature.

[Kace]

So exactly how many babies has Obama killed?

[Produce man]

Ask Rev. Wright.

[Spike]

So exactly how many babies has Obama killed?

Apparently fewer than Jill Stanek.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Here's what I don't understand:

Jill Stanek is the nurse who testified. She says that she found an aborted fetus that had survived the procedure, and that she held it for 45 minutes until it died.

Jill Stanek alleges herself to be a medical professional. If Jill Stanek felt she was holding a person who could have been saved if it had been given medical attention, why didn't she save it? She argues that nobody would give the fetus medical attention, but there she was, a medical professional not giving the fetus medical attention herself.

The pieces just don't add up.

I suspect that the reality was that the fetus wasn't truly viable. She didn't try to save it because there was nothing to be done, and she knew it. That's the case with almost all of these fetuses. She tries to spin this story a different way because she is an anti-abortion activist.

So, if the chances are next to none that providing medical attention will save one of these aborted fetuses, then the real purpose of the bill could not have been to "save babies" that had been aborted, but in some small way to discourage pregnant women from seeking abortions in the first place. That's basically what Obama said about the bill when he spoke against it in the Illinois legislature.

Babies born at 20-something weeks are sent to the Neonatal ICU upon doctor's orders. That's where they receive the life support they need to survive outside the womb. Without it, they die. If the doctor won't write the NICU orders, there is nothing a nurse can do to keep the baby alive.

And yes, babies born at 20-something weeks HAVE survived after extensive stays in the NICU. They ARE viable.

Obama's excuse is crap.

[Kace]

Just so everyone understands...Obama said something you don't agree with. Shall we pause for shock now or later? ;)

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Just so everyone understands...Obama said something you don't agree with. Shall we pause for shock now or later? ;)

I know you get off on being the human speed bump around here, but maybe your time would be better spent adding something halfway intelligent and/or substantial to...I don't know...anything?

[Kace]

It's okay, Murphy. You don't like me 'cause I kid ya a little here and there. I don't care for Obama either, so we have somethin' in common. :hug:

[From the Right]

I don't accept anything in the National Review as "proof". Same as you wouldn't accept anything from the Daily Kos as "proof" (and neither would I).

What exactly don't you believe, that Obama voted against this legislation 3 times? That he's changed his reason for voting against the legislation 3 times?

[ShakAttack]

I know you get off on being the human speed bump around here, but maybe your time would be better spent adding something halfway intelligent and/or substantial to...I don't know...anything?

Ouch!

There you go, Kace -- got tangled with your passive-aggressive niceness yet again! :hug:

Dude, why do you try so damned hard to be liked by the masses on an anonymous chatboard? :confused:

Are we going to write you a recommendation letter or have input on your upcoming raise??

[Kace]

Shak, the sooner you admit you're Spike, the better. :D

[ShakAttack]

Shak, the sooner you admit you're Spike, the better. :D

Kace, to find out all my aliases/alter egos/ML logins, please click on the following link:

http://openline.medialine.com/memberlist.php

(for your easy navigation -- I even alphabetized the list!) :cheers: