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NewsguyMark
Aug 17th 2008, 11:00 AM
As long as they keep the oil in the U.S., raise gas mileage minimums to AT LEAST 50 MPG and have HEAVY fines for oil spills, I think offshore drilling is a GREAT idea! The technology has improved GREATLY since 1969's Santa Barbara spill...


WASHINGTON -- Democrats' stance against offshore drilling has shifted more, with House Speaker (http://heavyhitters.freeforums.org/pelosi-may-be-coming-to-her-senses-finally-t2269.html#) Nancy Pelosi signaling on Saturday her willingness to consider opening up more coastal areas to oil and gas exploration.
In her party's weekly radio (http://heavyhitters.freeforums.org/pelosi-may-be-coming-to-her-senses-finally-t2269.html#) address, Pelosi said opening portions of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling would be a part of energy (http://heavyhitters.freeforums.org/pelosi-may-be-coming-to-her-senses-finally-t2269.html#) legislation that House Democrats intend to put forward in the coming weeks to address oil dependence and high gasoline prices.

Lawmakers will be able to "consider opening portions of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling, with appropriate safeguards, and without taxpayer subsidies to Big Oil," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

Just weeks ago Pelosi seemed resolved to block any votes to allow offshore drilling, in part because Californians have opposed drilling off their coasts since an oil spill off Santa Barbara in 1969. New oil drilling is only allowed now in federal waters in the western Gulf of Mexico and off Alaska.

Pelosi's radio remarks were the latest to hint that the energy debate in Congress is still evolving, and that Democrats are budging on the issue.

Congress left for the August recess deadlocked over how to address $4-a-gallon gasoline. Democratic proposals to tap the nation's petroleum reserve, curb oil speculation and force oil companies to drill on already leased federal lands were blocked by Republicans trying to force votes on offshore drilling.

Yet any vote on drilling is likely to force the


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Republicans' hand, since it will likely be packaged with unpopular proposals to tap the petroleum reserve and recoup unpaid royalties from the late 1990s to pay for renewable energy projects.
"This comprehensive Democratic approach will ensure energy independence (http://heavyhitters.freeforums.org/pelosi-may-be-coming-to-her-senses-finally-t2269.html#) which is essential to our national security (http://heavyhitters.freeforums.org/pelosi-may-be-coming-to-her-senses-finally-t2269.html#), will create millions of good paying jobs here at home in a new green economy, and will take major steps forward in addressing the global climate crisis," said Pelosi, who criticized Republicans' "drill only" plan.

Republican leaders called Pelosi's proposal a ruse.

She "is deliberately misrepresenting the facts about our plan in order to shift attention away from the Democrats' shameful record," said House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio. "Her new effort appears to be just another flawed plan that will do little to lower gas prices." Boehner and more than 100 House Republicans refused to depart for the summer recess in protest of Democrats' refusal to have a vote on their proposals.

The pressure to expand offshore drilling intensified last month when President Bush lifted an executive prohibition on drilling for oil and gas on the Outer Continental Shelf. A congressional ban remains in place.

Polls have shown that voters have grown more supportive of more domestic oil production as fuel prices have climbed.

+SN
Aug 17th 2008, 11:26 AM
"Pelosi may be coming to her senses... finally!"

Thanks NewsguyMark for the laugh. The title says it all.

+SN

Lazlo Toth
Aug 17th 2008, 03:15 PM
Who cares? Gas is now down to four dollars a gallon or below. We can once again use all we want.

Happy days are here again.

Kace
Aug 17th 2008, 03:17 PM
Yeah, ever since those Congress people went to recess, the price has shot down a whole quarter here. :whistle:

s'news
Aug 17th 2008, 03:21 PM
They're givin' gas away here at 3-50 and change. I went for a drive to celebrate.

Pro
Aug 17th 2008, 04:20 PM
Who cares? Gas is now down to four dollars a gallon or below. We can once again use all we want.

Happy days are here again.

That does bring up an interesting question: Will people be as passionate - one way or another - about oil drilling or alternate fuels if gasoline in perceived to be priced at least somewhat reasonably?

Mighty Dyckerson
Aug 17th 2008, 04:54 PM
Despelosi, why don't you come to your senses? You've been out ridin' fences for so long now...

rootboyslim
Aug 17th 2008, 04:57 PM
Oh those poll driven democrats. I thought Pelosi was going to save this country!!!

Pro
Aug 17th 2008, 05:09 PM
Oh those poll driven democrats.

You mean like how John McCain was also against offshore drilling until polls convinced him otherwise?

Lazlo Toth
Aug 17th 2008, 08:07 PM
That does bring up an interesting question: Will people be as passionate - one way or another - about oil drilling or alternate fuels if gasoline in perceived to be priced at least somewhat reasonably?

Not if history is any indicator.

Pro
Aug 17th 2008, 09:15 PM
Not if history is any indicator.

Probably so. So, in a way, one could make the case that falling gasoline prices are a bad thing. But, like everyone else, I'm glad to be saving the extra 5 bucks or so when I fill up my tank. So I can't say I wholeheartedly endorse the notion, although I can see the merit in it.

Lazlo Toth
Aug 17th 2008, 09:30 PM
Well, without any comment whether it's good or bad, it certainly is consistent historically. The graphs of price and consumption go in opposite directions.

That is why it takes real leadership to formulate an energy policy when prices are low, anticipating when they will not be.

And good luck to us all on that one.

Pro
Aug 17th 2008, 09:34 PM
That is why it takes real leadership to formulate an energy policy when prices are low, anticipating when they will not be.

And "real leadership" often risks not being elected or re-elected to office. And there's not a whole lot a "leader" can do if they're not in office.

Democracy can be a b*tch sometimes.

Lazlo Toth
Aug 17th 2008, 09:36 PM
It's a darned messy system. And I suppose a quote from Winston Churchill should be interjected here.

Pro
Aug 17th 2008, 09:39 PM
Democracy is not about getting things done. More often than not it's about stopping things from getting done. Totalitarism is about getting things done. It's much easier to get things done when you don't allow opposition.

rootboyslim
Aug 18th 2008, 03:35 AM
You mean like how John McCain was also against offshore drilling until polls convinced him otherwise?

Ohohohoh but but but but the republicans.

THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THE GOP!!!!!!!!!!

So when you have no answer, try to turn the table.

Pro
Aug 18th 2008, 10:00 AM
THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THE GOP!!!!!!!!!!.

Hey, if your buddy Dipolomat can do it, so can I.

rootboyslim
Aug 18th 2008, 10:11 AM
Hey, if your buddy Dipolomat can do it, so can I.

Pro---it was the entire point i was making in the other thread and you told me you wanted to see proof. I think that ship sailed with this latest boner.

Pro
Aug 18th 2008, 10:14 AM
Pro---it was the entire point i was making in the other thread and you told me you wanted to see proof. I think that ship sailed with this latest boner.

What the hell are you on about?

commercial hack
Aug 18th 2008, 10:15 AM
And "real leadership" often risks not being elected or re-elected to office. And there's not a whole lot a "leader" can do if they're not in office.

Democracy can be a b*tch sometimes.

First line is true. Apply "War on Terror" to that.

Second line.........we're not a Democracy. :whistle:

Pro
Aug 18th 2008, 10:40 AM
Second line.........we're not a Democracy. :whistle:

Yes we are. In the broadest sense of the word, since we elect the representatives who make (or often don't make) legislative and executive decisions. Call it small-"d" democracy. Or as I prefer, a republic with democratic principles.

Roy Hobbs
Aug 18th 2008, 10:49 AM
Pro---it was the entire point i was making in the other thread and you told me you wanted to see proof. I think that ship sailed with this latest boner.

Hehehe. He said "boner."
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The Thrill
Aug 18th 2008, 10:59 AM
Yes we are. In the broadest sense of the word, since we elect the representatives who make (or often don't make) legislative and executive decisions. Call it small-"d" democracy. Or as I prefer, a republic with democratic principles.

Or just a "republic."

Pro
Aug 18th 2008, 11:02 AM
Or just a "republic."

Not necessarly. A "republic" is a form of government where representatives make decisions for the people. They don't, necessarly, have to be elected representatives. In this country, however, they are, making it a democracy.

The two are compatible.