John Edwards a sleaze?

[Murphy Brown 2003]

The affair/love child rumor is up on Drudge again, just as it was last fall before being debunked. I'm curious, what's happened to give this story legs aside from the National Enquirer's story citing "unnamed sources"?

[The Fedora]

I thought a MSM paper was able to verify what happened at the hotel.

(I am not saying I believe the love child story)

[Murphy Brown 2003]

I thought a MSM paper was able to verify what happened at the hotel.

(I am not saying I believe the love child story)

Were they? I hadn't heard. If it's true (and I'm not saying it is), my heart breaks for Elizabeth.

[Produce man]

I'll bet his hairdresser doesn't think he's a sleaze!:whistle:

[The Fedora]

Yeah Murph, I'll try and find it again. Several hotel employees have come forward confirming that Edwards was at the hotel and had the run in with the NatEnq staffers. And that he tried to evade them.

[Desert Rat]

Yeah Murph, I'll try and find it again. Several hotel employees have come forward confirming that Edwards was at the hotel and had the run in with the NatEnq staffers. And that he tried to evade them.

Also, the Enquirer ran a story saying one of Edwards friends has been sending the "woman" in question 15 grand a month in hush money.

The evidence against Edwards is beginning to stack up...

Bye Bye to that Attorney General appointment.

[Jax]

Fox News: Guard Confirms Late-Night Hotel Encounter Between Ex-Sen. John Edwards, Tabloid Reporters (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391426,00.html)

[Kace]

Edwards endorsed Obama. Therefore, it matters. :rockon:

[Pro]

Well, that does it! There is no way I'm gonna vote for Edwards for Presid....err....OK, I'm not gonna support his relection as Senat.....err.....ahh....never mind.

[Diplomat]

Don't know if it's true or not but it would not at all surprise me. Edwards has always given me the impression he operates under his own set of rules while the rest of us have to play by the real rules.

If it's true, it would be significant, just as it was with that Haggard guy. People not practicing what they have preached.

Of course, it could be that Edwards was at the hotel for a haircut or trying to get rooms for those "200,000 homeless veterans." ;)

[commercial hack]

You still have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Nothing has been proven.
Cheating on your spouse is bad enough, but if he did it while his wife is going through breast cancer, then that is a despicable act that should destroy his political career.

[Gail sirens]

He's just a typical politician.

[HushHush]

You still have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Nothing has been proven.
Cheating on your spouse is bad enough, but if he did it while his wife is going through breast cancer, then that is a despicable act that should destroy his political career.

Could not agree more with this statement!!

[Murphy Brown 2003]

You still have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Nothing has been proven.
Cheating on your spouse is bad enough, but if he did it while his wife is going through breast cancer, then that is a despicable act that should destroy his political career.

Yeah, I agree with you. I haven't seen any real proof of it, just hearsay. It's just interesting that it was out there last fall and pretty much debunked only to return now. I hope it's not true.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Well, that does it! There is no way I'm gonna vote for Edwards for Presid....err....OK, I'm not gonna support his relection as Senat.....err.....ahh....never mind.

There are some of us who liked Edwards as a person (more so back in 2004) and couldn't care less about his political career at this point. There are also those of us who like Elizabeth and hope, for her sake, it isn't true. Not everything around here is about who the next POTUS is going to be.

[FD2BLK]

Yeah, I agree with you. I haven't seen any real proof of it, just hearsay. It's just interesting that it was out there last fall and pretty much debunked only to return now. I hope it's not true.

I agree. I hear there are pictures of him leaving the hotel. Where are they? Until there's some actual facts I'll chalk this up to wishful thinking by some.

[Mr. Rugen]

You still have to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Nothing has been proven.
Cheating on your spouse is bad enough, but if he did it while his wife is going through breast cancer, then that is a despicable act that should destroy his political career.

That would be horrible.
http://www.virtualadvancement.com/offer/pics/NewtGingrich.jpg

[Diplomat]

Mr. Rugen--you are right. But if these stories are somehow found to be true, I suspect Edwards will get more of a pass than Gingrich did. Neither should.

For now, Gingrich should stick to writing books and offering analysis. Edwards should stick to enriching himself at the expense of people he says he cares about and also making sure his hair is all pretty.

[Kace]

We should start more topics about if's. They seem to be more fun than what's known for sure.

[Mr. Rugen]

Mr. Rugen--you are right. But if these stories are somehow found to be true, I suspect Edwards will get more of a pass than Gingrich did. Neither should.

For now, Gingrich should stick to writing books and offering analysis. Edwards should stick to enriching himself at the expense of people he says he cares about and also making sure his hair is all pretty.

I don't care what John Edwards does. I have no emotional investment in him and, from what I can tell, he appears to be a private citizen.

By the way, Gingrich looks to have a pretty good lookin' head of hair himself. You think he gets that done at the Pro Cuts?

[Kace]

Hair only matters when it's a Democrat. :rockon:

[Mr. Rugen]

Hair only matters when it's a Democrat. :rockon:

And Republicans have never profited off the misery or sweat of others.

[Kace]

Nice try, Coach Rupp.

[Mr. Rugen]

Whatever, Mr. Busch.

[Head Janitor]

If it's true, it would be significant, just as it was with that Haggard guy. People not practicing what they have preached.


Edwards is a preacher? He's admonished people for having extra-marital affairs?

Didn't know that.

[Diplomat]

Edwards is a preacher? He's admonished people for having extra-marital affairs?

Didn't know that.


No, but he has talked a lot about family. And if he is doing this, he is basically giving the finger to his family, as is the case with anyone doing this.

[Kace]

If he's wearing a toupee, he's giving hair a bad name, despite using a brush.

If he's really black, he's giving a finger to everyone who was pretty sure he was white.

If he's part of Al Qaeda, he's pissing off everyone who thought otherwise.

But only if.

[Bandit]

http://www.newsobserver.com/643/story/1161218.html

[Diplomat]

The News and Observer is just another far-right newspaper who is seeking to discredit a man who has so selflessly and nobly labored for social justice, the common good and of course, the children without regard to his own fate and fortune.

/sarcasm font off/

[Kace]

If true, then the News & Observer should be ashamed.

Now, someone needs to start a topic about the News & Observer being far right, just in case it's true.

[Bandit]

If true, then the News & Observer should be ashamed.

Now, someone needs to start a topic about the News & Observer being far right, just in case it's true. There's also the rumor floating around that the N&O fathered the Bladen Journal (http://www.bladenjournal.com/) with the Wilmington Star-News (while married to the Fayetteville Observer!). ;)

[Kace]

You're diverting, mister.

[Spike]

That article says Andrew Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young) is the father.

http://ethnic-american.com/182f4f80.jpg
ANDREW JACKSON YOUNG, JR.

[FD2BLK]

and also making sure his hair is all pretty.

Dip, just because his hair is prettier than yours... ;)

[Pro]

There are some of us who liked Edwards as a person (more so back in 2004) and couldn't care less about his political career at this point. There are also those of us who like Elizabeth and hope, for her sake, it isn't true. Not everything around here is about who the next POTUS is going to be.

I couldn't care less less about celebrities' private lives. The only thing I care about are their professional lives, whether it is an actor, singer, journalist or politician. Their private lives are absolutely no concern of mine.

[Kace]

Pro, it matters 'cause he endorsed Obama. Had he endorsed Hilrod, this topic may have been started by someone else. ;)

[Murphy Brown 2003]

I couldn't care less less about celebrities' private lives. The only thing I care about are their professional lives, whether it is an actor, singer, journalist or politician. Their private lives are absolutely no concern of mine.

That's great for you. Perhaps this wasn't the thread you should have clicked on in that case. This is still a news story and I don't think it's out of line to discuss news items on a media forum.

[Pro]

That's great for you. Perhaps this wasn't the thread you should have clicked on in that case. This is still a news story and I don't think it's out of line to discuss news items on a media forum.

Discuss whatever you want. Wallow in gossip, if you like. But don't expect to do it without rebuke.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Discuss whatever you want. Wallow in gossip, if you like. But don't expect to do it without rebuke.

Believe me, I never expect to see a political thread on this forum without your two cents, even when it adds nothing to the conversation at hand. :)

[Pro]

Believe me, I never expect to see a political thread on this forum without your two cents, even when it adds nothing to the conversation at hand. :)

Oh I think it does. And if you think I add nothing to the conversation, then ignore what I say, instead of whine about it.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Oh I think it does. And if you think I add nothing to the conversation, then ignore what I say, instead of whine about it.

Where did you see me whine about you? I'm just stating my opinion about your posts. No whining. You have every right to post on any thread you want. I have a right to comment about it.

[Diplomat]

Where did you see me whine about you? I'm just stating my opinion about your posts. No whining. You have every right to post on any thread you want. I have a right to comment about it.

Amen, Murphy!!!

[Diplomat]

If true, then the News & Observer should be ashamed.

Now, someone needs to start a topic about the News & Observer being far right, just in case it's true.

Given the N & O's socialist heritage, I doubt it is anything remotely resembling far-right, right or center-right.

[Pro]

Where did you see me whine about you?

Here:

even when it adds nothing to the conversation at hand.

But you do have the right to whine.

[Pro]

Given the N & O's socialist heritage, I doubt it is anything remotely resembling far-right, right or center-right.

Don't tell me, let me guess: The've published things you don't like, so you have to call them something, right?

[Diplomat]

Don't tell me, let me guess: The've published things you don't like, so you have to call them something, right?

I've read their editorial page. They have at times made Pinch Sulzberger look like a member of the John Birch Society. The founders of the paper were far-left guys.

The news pages are for the most part OK.

[Pro]

I've read their editorial page. They have at times made Pinch Sulzberger look like a member of the John Birch Society. The founders of the paper were far-left guys.

Yeah, just as I thought. They've had editorials you don't like. So they are subject to your insults. Thought as much.

[Diplomat]

Yeah, just as I thought. They've had editorials you don't like. So they are subject to your insults. Thought as much.

I'm not insulting them. If I wanted to insult them, I'd call the editorials poorly written or devoid of logic, etc. The paper's editorial position has generally been to advocate more government control over business and individuals. That sounds pretty socialist to me.

And when it comes to insults, you should be careful. You love to throw out insults and the occasional slur. I'm beginning to believe your hatred of anyone who doesn't share your beliefs is what fuels your very existence.

[Murphy Brown 2003]

Here:

even when it adds nothing to the conversation at hand.

But you do have the right to whine.

You consider that a whine? Seriously? Wow. I think someone needs to grow up and perhaps update their subscription to word-of-the-day email.

[Pro]

I think someone needs to grow up

Don't be so hard on yourself. I don't think you need to grow-up. But who am I to say? If you feel you need to, that's up to you.

[Produce man]

Discuss whatever you want. Wallow in gossip, if you like. But don't expect to do it without rebuke.It's a whole different story when the shoe's on the other ideological foot, isn't it?

[Sultanosurf]

That article says Andrew Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Young) is the father.

More accurately, the Raleigh paper quotes The Enquirer, which published a statement from Hunter's attorney where Hunter says Young is the father.

Young has already accepted paternity, and anybody who still thinks that a married man, regardless of their politics, would take that heat in their relationship, hasn't a clue on the hell Young is getting at home.

Would you 'take one for the team' to that extreme?

[Spike]

Young has already accepted paternity, and anybody who still thinks that a married man, regardless of their politics, would take that heat in their relationship, hasn't a clue on the hell Young is getting at home.

Would you 'take one for the team' to that extreme?

If the guy got another woman pregnant and got caught, why would it be unusual for him to own up to it? Paternity is way too easy for the mistress to prove to deny it.

[Sultanosurf]

If the guy got another woman pregnant and got caught, why would it be unusual for him to own up to it? Paternity is way too easy for the mistress to prove to deny it.

Got your second part, but I'm lost with the first.

[Spike]

Got your second part, but I'm lost with the first.

I misunderstood what you wrote first time around. I think we're in agreement. Disregard.

[Head Janitor]

So where are we? THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER is doing a story about John Edwards having fathered a child with his mistress. The woman in question says the father is some other guy. The other guy says yes, I am the father.
But since Edwards went to visit the woman and her child, didn't want to talk about it, and the birth certificate doesn't name a father, it must be Edwards?

Really?

I know I'm contributing to the problem, but is it really worth 50+ posts?

And let me say one last thing:

Diplomat, I hope all the walls in your glass house sparkle, unmarred, forever.

[neodeity]

I think this whole "love child" story is a giant beard; a conspiracy designed to halt all the "fag" talk that used to surround him.

[Diplomat]

So where are we? THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER is doing a story about John Edwards having fathered a child with his mistress. The woman in question says the father is some other guy. The other guy says yes, I am the father.
But since Edwards went to visit the woman and her child, didn't want to talk about it, and the birth certificate doesn't name a father, it must be Edwards?

Really?

I know I'm contributing to the problem, but is it really worth 50+ posts?

And let me say one last thing:

Diplomat, I hope all the walls in your glass house sparkle, unmarred, forever.

I'm not the one who brought it up. I just said IF it is true, it's a shame he would do that to his wife in her time of illness, as have other politicians and people not in the political world.

[Kace]

It's also a shame that he'd ***** chimpanzees. IF it's true though.

[Diplomat]

It's also a shame that he'd ***** chimpanzees. IF it's true though.

It's a shame that you'd think of something like that.

Bleah. ;)

[neodeity]

It's also a shame that he'd ***** chimpanzees. IF it's true though.

It's a shame that you'd think of something like that.

Bleah. ;)
You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss a little hot monkey love;
you're not expected to last very long plus you'll get groomed when it's over.:thumbsup:

[Head Janitor]

I'm not the one who brought it up. I just said IF it is true, it's a shame he would do that to his wife in her time of illness, as have other politicians and people not in the political world.

Diplomat, I don't know what John Edwards did to you or someone you know. But from what you have written on this website, it is obvious you would believe him capable of doing any number of horrible things.

But what I was referring to was your inability to let go of the past. The News & Observer had a racist start, that's a given. Thinks have changed a lot since then -- new owners and all. The U.S. did some pretty horrendous things over the years -- do you hold that against the country of your birth?

What if there's something in your past? Should you be defined by that, despite the good you've done since then?

[Diplomat]

Diplomat, I don't know what John Edwards did to you or someone you know. But from what you have written on this website, it is obvious you would believe him capable of doing any number of horrible things.

But what I was referring to was your inability to let go of the past. The News & Observer had a racist start, that's a given. Thinks have changed a lot since then -- new owners and all. The U.S. did some pretty horrendous things over the years -- do you hold that against the country of your birth?

What if there's something in your past? Should you be defined by that, despite the good you've done since then?

I do believe John Edwards is a sociopath and I won't apologize for expressing my opinion. I think he has aholier-than-thou attitude that would give the Dobson/Robertson crowd a run for the money. I do not know if this story is true--I would hope it is not because of his young family and ailing wife, but honestly, I would not be surprised if it is.

The News and Observer was run for many years by Josephus Daniels who was both a racist and socialist--his views demonstrate that. Not sure what it was before he bought it. But the paper's far-left editorial policy has unchanged since the days of Daniels. (Racism is a moral issue and since there are racists on both ends of the spectrum, I don't consider that a political issue.)

During the time I lived in NC, the News and Observer was known for two things: its far-left editorial policy and its lack of a competent copy editor.

What exactly has the N & O done to benefit anyone? It's a business and should be focused on making a profit for its owners.

[Jax]

It's also a shame that he'd ***** chimpanzees. IF it's true though.

I wallowed, annoyed with this thread, but in then end there's a gem from Kace...

[Pro]

OK, now I'm REALLY not gonna vote for Edwards, ever again! That'll show him!

[Head Janitor]

I do believe John Edwards is a sociopath and I won't apologize for expressing my opinion.


so·ci·o·path–noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
[Origin: 1940–45; socio- (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=socio-) + -path (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=-path)http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png]

Okay, gotcha. You really don't like John Edwards. Suit yourself. If I might make a suggestion: pick up knitting. It calms my mother's nerves, and it might loosen you up a little.

[Diplomat]

Okay, gotcha. You really don't like John Edwards. Suit yourself. If I might make a suggestion: pick up knitting. It calms my mother's nerves, and it might loosen you up a little.

No, I don't like Edwards. I believe he is phony. I believe he thinks the rules don't apply to him.

My nerves don't need calming. I'm just fine and merely expressing my opinion. If my opinion rattles you that much, maybe you should borrow your mother's needles. ;)

[Kace]

I believe he thinks the rules don't apply to him.

What's this based on anyway? I mean aside from that whole, "he's a Democrat," thing. ;)

[Diplomat]

What's this based on anyway? I mean aside from that whole, "he's a Democrat," thing. ;)

Kace--it's his arrogant attitude. He preaches that we have to be tolerant and all, yet he and his wife became very nasty regarding one of their neighbors. His BS story about more than 200,000 homeless veterans was refuted, yet he continued to repeat the canard.

You seem to love him--that whole "he's a Democrat" thing, and you are free to do so. But understand that not everyone thinks he is such a saint. ;)

[Pro]

No, I don't like Edwards. I believe he is phony. I believe he thinks the rules don't apply to him.

Then I'd advise you not to vote for him, either.

[Kace]

Kace--it's his arrogant attitude.

If that's true, then there can't be any major 2-party politicians that are all that likeable to you.

[Pro]

If that's true, then there can't be any major 2-party politicians that are all that likeable to you.

One thing I've yet to see is Dip saying something like "(name of politican) is arrogant as hell, but I agree with him/her on the issues." ;)

[s'news]

It's also pretty well known that Edwards used to regularly violate his high school dress code.

[s'news]

“It's completely untrue, ridiculous,” he said. “I've been in love with the same woman for 30-plus years and, as anybody who's been around us knows, she's an extraordinary human being, warm, loving, beautiful, sexy and as good a person as I have ever known. So the story's just false.”

Mrs. Edwards may be a really fine person. I wish her well. But this does seem to be a bit of an overstatement.

[Clever Login Name]

Mrs. Edwards may be a really fine person. I wish her well. But this does seem to be a bit of an overstatement.

It also doesn't say that it's Mrs. Edwards he's talking about.

[Tripe Face]

His BS story about more than 200,000 homeless veterans was refuted, yet he continued to repeat the canard.

;)

So his saying this country has 200,000 homeless veterans is BS?? A Canard?

The NCHV doesn't think so:



The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans estimates that on any given night, 200,000 veterans are homeless (National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, 2006).





Neither does our own federal government:


The National Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education non-profit, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.



Here's what ANOTHER group found:


On any given night last year, nearly 196,000 veterans slept on the street, in a shelter or in transitional housing, the study by the Homelessness Research Institute found.


Three different organizations, at least one of them using the US Governments own figures come to virtually the same conclusion, that on any given night, some 200,000 of our nation's veterans are homeless... and you call it Bullsh!t and a canard.

Perhaps Dip, if you stopped assuming that John Edwards was a sociopath, a term most often used in reference to criminals, and did a little research about the issues he's addressed... the rest of us on Medialine wouldn't think most of your posts are BS.

[Diplomat]

I should have clarified--The actual figure I saw from the VA for '07 is 194,000. And according to Senator Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, the figure is now around 150,000. That is still too many and programs will help, but in some cases, the homeless people will have to help themselves first before others can help.

Edwards said ALL these people were sleeping on grates and under bridges--which is not true. The Veterans Administration has a large homeless outreach program--it is trying to . And many of the people "live" in other shelters--that's the address they give when they seek work, etc.

I make no apologies for what I have said about Edwards. I think he is a phony.

"The rest of us"--Tripe, I know you have an outsized ego, but now you are presuming to speak for everyone else? Not all of us think what you say is Gospel. Perhaps you can bully and threaten others IRL, but I know you'd never try that with the people on this board you have made nasty (and in one major case, FALSE) comments about or those upon whom you have wished physical harm.

[Tripe Face]

[
I should have clarified--The actual figure I saw from the VA for '07 is 194,000. And according to Senator Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, the figure is now around 150,000. That is still too many and programs will help, but in some cases, the homeless people will have to help themselves first before others can help.

Edwards said ALL these people were sleeping on grates and under bridges--which is not true. The Veterans Administration has a large homeless outreach program--it is trying to . And many of the people "live" in other shelters--that's the address they give when they seek work, etc.

I make no apologies for what I have said about Edwards. I think he is a phony.

Oh, Goody... these guys who risked their LIFE to make sure George Bush's and Dick Cheney's oil buddies could get even RICHER aren't really homeless, they are living in homeless SHELTERS!

OK... never mind.

:moon:

[Diplomat]

[


Oh, Goody... these guys who risked their LIFE to make sure George Bush's and Dick Cheney's oil buddies could get even RICHER aren't really homeless, they are living in homeless SHELTERS!

OK... never mind.

:moon:

I realize you hate the President and everyone who voted for him and everyone who ever voted Republican or owns their own business or goes to church regularly or who has actually studied the origins of this great country or who actually believes in individuality or thinks for himself. Your hatred and volatility will destroy you from within and that would be a tragedy.

May you find the peace of mind that is eluding you.

[Tripe Face]

I realize you hate the President and everyone who voted for him and everyone who ever voted Republican or owns their own business or goes to church regularly or who has actually studied the origins of this great country or who actually believes in individuality or thinks for himself. Your hatred and volatility will destroy you from within and that would be a tragedy.

May you find the peace of mind that is eluding you.

Classic Dip... whenever anyone points out his fallacies, he stops debating the facts and calls them a hater.

I have plenty of peace of mind thank you.

Shall we get back to the issue that started this. Why do you call Sen. John Edwards claims that this nation has 200,000 homeless veterans BS and a canard? Because ONE republican Senator says so? In contradiction of 3 major homeless groups and the US Department of Veterans Affairs and the US Census bureau.

Go ahead... explain or apologize for insulting Edwards.

[Sultanosurf]

Sheesh, Tripe, haven't you learned? He's off to church on ya now.

Dip, you bring this stuff on yourself, calling Edwards a phony is one thing, 'sociopath' a whole other.

And I may not agree with Tripe on everything, but just because you don't, you hit THIS extreme? "...you hate the President and everyone who voted for him and everyone who ever voted Republican or owns their own business or goes to church regularly or who has actually studied the origins of this great country or who actually believes in individuality or thinks for himself. Your hatred and volatility will destroy you from within and that would be a tragedy." ???

Reel it in a notch, or drive over to Hickory and rent a pulpit...

[Diplomat]

Classic Dip... whenever anyone points out his fallacies, he stops debating the facts and calls them a hater.

I have plenty of peace of mind thank you.

Shall we get back to the issue that started this. Why do you call Sen. John Edwards claims that this nation has 200,000 homeless veterans BS and a canard? Because ONE republican Senator says so? In contradiction of 3 major homeless groups and the US Department of Veterans Affairs and the US Census bureau.

Go ahead... explain or apologize for insulting Edwards.

Akaka is a Democrat.

No apology for what I said about Edwards.

[Kace]

I've been a bit busy, but was my question ever answered by chance?

[Mr. Rugen]

Yes. The answer was 42.

[Tripe Face]

I've been a bit busy, but was my question ever answered by chance?

Yes. The answer was 42.

Wrong... the answer, as ANYONE knows, is Helsinki, Finland.

[Sultanosurf]

I've been a bit busy, but was my question ever answered by chance?

Good question...

http://www.iue.edu/blogs/barry/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/sellerschance.jpg

[Banned_Forever]

I'm not Sure? ...

But I think the Primary is Over?

John Edwards won't be in the mix.

News People? ...If that's what you call yourselves? Are more interested

in who fuct who than the fact that a great portion of your industry

has been subverted by your own government, and all you can concentrate

on is something fit for a Weekend Tabloid Trash Rag?


If there were an ounce of Journalistic Integrity left in this Country? One

would be hard pressed to find it.


- Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Bandit]

Good question...

http://www.iue.edu/blogs/barry/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/sellerschance.jpg "All is well ... and all will be well ... in the garden."