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Sigonfile
Jun 27th 2008, 07:34 AM
Would you approach a reporter and ask him/her to not to use the following wording in their story?
"Bill Smith was last known to stay at 4356 Harmony St in Kellumville."
rootboyslim
Jun 27th 2008, 08:29 AM
Would you approach a reporter and ask him/her to not to use the following wording in their story?
"Bill Smith was last known to stay at 4356 Harmony St in Kellumville."
Yes, I would.
wx or not
Jun 27th 2008, 08:47 AM
A conscientous reporter may use "stayed in the 4300 block of..."
Jane Craig
Jun 27th 2008, 08:49 AM
Why are you giving a street address, or even a street? In most cases, "His last known address is in Kellumville" should suffice.
That's a common phrase in the south, but even there, I'd change it to "lived."
TVMattNYC
Jun 27th 2008, 09:00 AM
Why is this even pertinent to the story?
Spike
Jun 27th 2008, 09:46 AM
That's a common phrase in the south...
Not among white people. It's ebonics. The few white people who use it are trying to sound black.
And yes, if you're the EP or ND or other management with approval rights over the copy, you should instruct the reporter to change it.
Not among white people. It's ebonics. The few white people who use it are trying to sound black.
Having "lived" in the south and worked there for many years myself, I can tell you, that's a racist generalization and assumption.
Spike
Jun 27th 2008, 10:28 AM
Having "lived" in the south and worked there for many years myself, I can tell you, that's a racist generalization and assumption.
I grew up in the south. It's ebonics. Our elementary school teachers used to work with the black kids to try to get them to stop saying it.
"Where they stay at?"
"They stay at they grandmama's."
wx or not
Jun 27th 2008, 10:39 AM
"Where they stay at?"
"They stay at they grandmama's."
Did not. I saw them running around here yesterday.;)
ISTHISTHINGON?
Jun 27th 2008, 10:50 AM
Bill's last known address is on Harmony Street in Kellumville.
A specific street address isn't necessary.
Spike
Jun 27th 2008, 10:56 AM
Hey Sigonfile, what ethnicity is the reporter in question?
MOCR
Jun 27th 2008, 11:31 AM
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
https://image.pegs.com/images/EX/JUAEX/juaex_b1.jpg
:whistle:
wx or not
Jun 27th 2008, 11:55 AM
Hey Sigonfile, what ethnicity is the reporter in question?
Is Barry White? Or Al Green? :)
Produce man
Jun 27th 2008, 12:06 PM
I need more of the story. Did he rape a child? Get a DUI? Rob a bank? Killed in a car accident? Killed in Iraq?
Was he a hero? Save someone's life? Rescue a kitten?
ISTHISTHINGON?
Jun 27th 2008, 12:42 PM
Hey Sigonfile, what ethnicity is the reporter in question?
Well there you go!:D ;)
http://www.iwantmedia.com/images/donimus.jpg
Produce man
Jun 27th 2008, 02:01 PM
Is "old as dirt" an ethnicity?
Sigonfile
Jun 27th 2008, 03:17 PM
To answer your question, she is Asian.
Diplomat
Jun 28th 2008, 06:10 AM
"Live" is the proper thing to say in this case. "Stay" is not.
Another side
Jun 28th 2008, 09:40 AM
Would you approach a reporter and ask him/her to not to use the following wording in their story?
"Bill Smith was last known to stay at 4356 Harmony St in Kellumville."
Was Billl just staying there ... or did he live there?
Sigonfile
Jun 28th 2008, 11:48 AM
He referred to it as his "crib" in the soundbite.
s'news
Jun 28th 2008, 01:41 PM
Then he lives there. Unless he's just cribbin' with some friends for a few days. Then he's staying there.
To answer your question, she is Asian.
Yeah, well, that destroys the smarmy comeback Spike was going to use when you said the reporter was black.
22
Jun 30th 2008, 07:28 AM
Clearly, you are all missing the point. An asian reporter cannot pronounce "live." The asian reporter would say "rive." So they subsitute a word they can say. "stay"
Hey, I kid, I kid.
Spike
Jun 30th 2008, 11:00 AM
Yeah, well, that destroys the smarmy comeback Spike was going to use when you said the reporter was black.
She's just trying to sound black. Otherwise she wouldn't use ebonics.
She's just trying to sound black. Otherwise she wouldn't use ebonics.
It's amazing how you're able to divine the motivation of people you've never met or even seen.
Some people would call that bullsh!t.
Spike
Jun 30th 2008, 06:49 PM
It's amazing how you're able to divine the motivation of people you've never met or even seen.
Some people would call that bullsh!t.
No, it's simple logic.
Ebonics is slang associated with black people. People who use ebonics are either black or trying to sound black. The use of stay in place of live is ebonics. Therefore, someone who uses stay in place of live is either black or attempting to sound black.
With the revelation that the interview subject called the dwelling his "crib," another ebonics word, it's plausible that the reporter in question was emulating the language of the subject in the copy.
Kace
Jun 30th 2008, 08:29 PM
"Stay," as in, "where's he stayin' now," is definetly redneck. "Stay," as in, "where he stay at now," leans more towards, "ebonics."
Hope that clears things up. :)
s'news
Jun 30th 2008, 09:39 PM
Asian is the new black.
Okay, that makes no sense.
s'news
Jun 30th 2008, 09:43 PM
No, it's simple logic.
Ebonics is slang associated with black people. People who use ebonics are either black or trying to sound black. The use of stay in place of live is ebonics. Therefore, someone who uses stay in place of live is either black or attempting to sound black.
With the revelation that the interview subject called the dwelling his "crib," another ebonics word, it's plausible that the reporter in question was emulating the language of the subject in the copy.
I'm staying at my folks' house right now. I'm not trying to sound black when I tell you that.
If the person is somewhere for just a while, like while his or her parents serve out prison terms, tour with a rock band, vacation in Italy or jog across the country, it's a "stay." If they're at the place where they live and/or intend to live, it's "live."
Another side
Jul 1st 2008, 01:08 AM
... reject the notion that the use of "stay" is an example of Ebonics.
And I may be wrong ... but I think "crib" as a reference to "home" began in the barrio ... not the 'hood.
mothball
Jul 1st 2008, 05:57 AM
"Live" is the proper thing to say in this case. "Stay" is not.
I disagree. I believe the more correct term would be "reside."
The use of stay in place of live is ebonics.
That's your contention. It is by no means a fact, although you insist that because you say it is, it is. A lot of your posts follow this same "logic."
Jane Craig
Jul 1st 2008, 06:25 AM
I disagree. I believe the more correct term would be "reside."
How about "He last dwelt at..." :cool:
Write2Video
Jul 1st 2008, 09:19 PM
No, it's simple logic.
Ebonics is slang associated with black people. People who use ebonics are either black or trying to sound black. The use of stay in place of live is ebonics. Therefore, someone who uses stay in place of live is either black or attempting to sound attempting to sound black.
Umm...why would an Asian person (a reporter on air at that) "try to sound black"? A BLACK reporter or anchor isn't even going to use ebonics ON AIR (hopefully)...
Focker
Jul 2nd 2008, 06:22 AM
I disagree. I believe the more correct term would be "reside."
I disagree. If we're truly writing news copy here, it should be "lived" or "live" because no fourth grader would say "reside."
Sigonfile
Jul 2nd 2008, 06:36 AM
I think she is multi-ethnicity. A little Caucasiun, Black, Asian, and some Australian. She also has what looks like British teeth.
mothball
Jul 2nd 2008, 04:49 PM
I disagree. If we're truly writing news copy here, it should be "lived" or "live" because no fourth grader would say "reside."
MUST TV news dumb itself down to the lowest common denominator?
Bugger.
The Thrill
Jul 3rd 2008, 09:18 AM
Asian is the new black.
Okay, that makes no sense.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/830897176_dad55f068d_o.jpg
The Mockingbird
Jul 3rd 2008, 10:22 AM
MUST TV news dumb itself down to the lowest common denominator?
Bugger.
BING! You have earned two Dap points.