View Full Version : Roger Clemens
Daddy
Jan 10th 2008, 06:02 PM
I hate to think it but I do... I think Roger is lying about steroids.
Daddy
adam & doctor drew
Jan 11th 2008, 07:55 AM
of course he is.
what incentive would there be for his trainer to make all this up?
PSUWx
Jan 16th 2008, 01:28 PM
Clemens I don't think is lying about steroids...I believe this is going to go down the line as a ressurection of the sort-of Clintonian semantics.
When Clemens repeatedly says "I didn't do this" and "I never took steroids", I'd look at it as him saying " IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII didn't do this" and "IIIIIIIIIIIIII never took steroids"...which seemingly leaves open the distinct reality that Macnamee injected the steroids into him, and thus he was the one doing it. Clemens can also claim that he 'had no knowledge' of such things, because, as modern day trainers would do in today's competetive world-- perhaps they have an unspoken agreement that this trainer would be entrusted with 'doing whatever' to keep Clemens body in tip-top shape, even if he has to 'lie to Clemens at the time' about what it actually is he's putting into his body (like B-12 and lidocaine).
Barry Bonds sorta had the same arrangement designed to give him the same 'outs' (if you will), but the problem for Bonds, is that he physically had to apply the clear to his body himself. Clemens, on the other hand, he can sit there and say 'he' actually didn't 'do' anything (and technically be right).
Who knows...Clemens could be biding his time, waiting for the opportunity to react with 'shock' and 'dismay' that his trainer 'whom he entrusted with his very soul' would do this dastardly deed to him.
But to me...it's pretty easy to see how they both, using semantics and everything else, can come across as telling the truth (and perhaps both be right).
To make the story consistent and unwavering, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Rodger perhaps do what Clinton himself did in his testimony: Put it all down on a prepared statement, read the statement aloud, and then refer any questions to the statement, refusing to elaborate or use anything but key phrases contained within it.
Obviously, thanks to Clinton, 'the people' will see right through such attempts and react negatively...but...as with Clinton himself, since 'everything' is on the line, people will eventually come around again to his side, provided through any means necessary, his technical innocence on the worst charges prevails.
Paisan
Jan 16th 2008, 03:11 PM
I hate to think it but I do... I think Roger is lying about steroids.
Daddy
This just in.
yeah, he's lying. its too bad, but yep, I can't believe he didn't take them.
JoinUsForCake
Jan 17th 2008, 01:53 PM
I kinda think he is lying, too.
I lost all respect for Clemens being truthful after he threw that shattered bat at Piazza in the World Series then claimed he thought it was the ball... umm.. riiiight...
WalMartNation
Jan 18th 2008, 12:05 PM
Of course he's lying... most of them are, at least most of them in the Mitchell Report who are still in denial. We (including many in the already skeptical media) made the mistake of believing too many of these goons 5-8 years ago when talk about performance enhancing drugs in sports started to really surface.
I can specifically remember covering a track meet in Eugene, Oregon about 8 years ago when Marion Jones went straight in front of the cameras and denied she was or had ever done anything with performance enhancing drugs. One of ESPN's track & field analysts was blabbering off camera to people how he believed her simply because "she denied it in front of the cameras".
We all know how that turned out.
WOS
Jan 21st 2008, 05:56 PM
Ah yes, we all know how when we hit our mid-30s, after a few years on the decline, our strength, speed and endurance (along with our fastball) returned to the same level as our mid-20s. It's just part of the natural cycle!
I remember thinking at the time, after he's been a .500 pitcher in Boston in his later years and Toronto, and all the sudden "regained his velocity" that it was really weird. Most pitchers, when they have regained success in their 30s "learned how to pitch" through location and changing speeds instead of just throwing heat. Clemens regained his velocity. The 1st to ever do that.
To quote C&C Music Factory, "Things that make you go Hmmmmm...."
Daddy
Jan 22nd 2008, 06:03 PM
Too bad really.... what would he have had with out the "roids"... 305 wins maybe? No he couldn't be satisfied with great numbers he wanted astronomical stats I guess. Right now he is as adamant as Pete Rose was about gambling. Wonder how long he'll hold out before he admits taking steroids?
Pitiful... just pitiful.
PSUWx
Jan 24th 2008, 09:00 PM
He's never going to admit he took steroids...because he didn't do it.
...It was done to him :)
sob sob...sniff...' how dare he ' ... ' and I trusted him '
psshaaw