Interning in a mid-size market

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Hey, I'm having a lot of trouble finding an internship for ANY semester in Buffalo.
I have good grades- I'm also extremely active in college orgs.
But still, it doesn't seem like any of the three stations (WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW) want interns.
When I came to college, I wanted to intern at a station for all four of my years and here I am on, half-way through my Junior year and only ONE station has asked me in for an interview!
It's all so frustrating to hear people in other markets getting internships without a problem but here in Buffalo it feels like you need your father to be the ND to even have a chance!
I've tried e-mailing, calling, and even stopping by all three stations. It just seems like no matter where I turn around here, it's a dead-end.
Thank you for listening to my rant and if you have any suggestions or comments or ANYTHING- information, etc. Please feel free to contact me or leave a post!
Thanks again everyone!

[newz2me]

This time of year is usually not the best time to look for interships. News Directors are too busy trying to deal with holiday schedules and people trying to cram in last minute vacation requests. I'll probably pick up after the new year. I would stay away from WKBW, unles you want to learn how sucky this business car be and what not to do. I've been told that the place is in a financial, technicial mess right now and the poor staff just hates life right now.
Register at this web site:
http://www.totalbuffalo.net/board/

Someone there can give you better insight and you can read how the locals are doing.

[Spike]

When I came to college, I wanted to intern at a station for all four of my years and here I am on, half-way through my Junior year and only ONE station has asked me in for an interview! And... of course, no word back from them yet since they are "still interviewing candidates" (for a month).

Well congratulations, you just blew that opportunity to hell.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Sorry I blew up right there. Just frustrated with the inability to even get an interview (mostly with GRZ and IVB) when I feel I'm doing all the right things.

[Sir Dropham Pants]

I'm sure it's frustrating, but you have to understand the role of the intern in most newsrooms. There's a chance you may get promoted to "afterthought" - right now a potential intern is "sub-afterthought." Yes, some stations have valuable interns, but they work up to that position. They get there by proving themselves as smart, able and driven future journalists. Right now (to the stations) you're just a student who wants a chance. There are an infinite number of things more important to most people in those newsrooms right now than hiring interns. Take what Spike said to heart. If you're on the hiring side, would you be more inclined to hire an intern who doesn't complain on internet message boards or one that does? Think about it. And more importantly, think before you hit the "send" or "submit reply" button. That's information that'll come in handy whether you're working in news or selling insurance.

[Spike]

I'm sorry- I'm not understanding how I blew it. My interview went great.

But then you came on here and complained about them on the internet, on a message board frequented by people in that market and most likely at that station. Maybe you don't think you gave enough information for them to identify you, but you would be wrong about that. It shouldn't be too hard at all for the station's intern coordinator to match the details you gave about yourself here to the applications that were received for the internship. He or she should at least be able to narrow it down to a couple of candidates who won't be receiving a call at all, if not indentify you conclusively. While many of us here understand your frustration, at the same time your post could be read as an attitude problem. And you've gone and associated the attitude with yourself on the internet where anybody can read it.

You should be experiencing a sick feeling in your stomach about now as you realize your mistake. Accept this as a learning experience. Don't EVER talk about a job you hope to get on the internet, even if you're saying positive things about it. You can never be sure how what you write will be taken.

So forget that one. You won't get a call. Time to start looking in other markets.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

That's the best advice I've heard from anyone- Thanks!

I understand we're just finishing up sweeps here, but just the way these places treat their possible interns (and viewers) seems unconventional.

But maybe patience is key. I've been waiting three years for something to happen but I've been working on my videos and on-air presence in the mean-time. Maybe I should be thankful they haven't got back to me until this year. I sure wouldn't have been ready for it.
Thanks Pants! You're a savior!

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

But then you came on here and complained about them on the internet, on a message board frequented by people in that market and most likely at that station. Maybe you don't think you gave enough information for them to identify you, but you would be wrong about that. It shouldn't be too hard at all for the station's intern coordinator to match the details you gave about yourself here to the applications that were received for the internship. He or she should at least be able to narrow it down to a couple of candidates who won't be receiving a call at all, if not indentify you conclusively. While many of us here understand your frustration, at the same time your post could be read as an attitude problem. And you've gone and associated the attitude with yourself on the internet where anybody can read it.

You should be experiencing a sick feeling in your stomach about now as you realize your mistake. Accept this as a learning experience. Don't EVER talk about a job you hope to get on the internet, even if you're saying positive things about it. You can never be sure how what you write will be taken.

So forget that one. You won't get a call. Time to start looking in other markets.

Other markets might be the way to go. I've considered it for sure.
But at the same time, I almost think you misunderstood me a little. I'm more so disappointed in the fact of these stations not offering internships.

[Spike]

But at the same time, I almost think you misunderstood me a little. I'm more so disappointed in the fact of these stations not offering internships.

I understand you perfectly well. You made it very clear you are disappointed.

But you also made it very clear which stations have disappointed you, and you gave enough details about yourself here that a journalist in possession of your internship application would be able to identify you. Remember that journalists tend to be inquisitive people and are often good at piecing together an entire picture from clues. Now they know that you don't approve of how they conduct their business. Why would they hire you?

Again, I don't see how I can make this any clearer. Do not EVER talk on the internet about a job you hope to land.

I understand we're just finishing up sweeps here, but just the way these places treat their possible interns (and viewers) seems unconventional.

Ha ha ha ha WRONG. This is not just the way they treat potential interns, but candidates for other jobs as well. What you described is typical in television.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

I understand you perfectly well. You made it very clear you are disappointed.

But you also made it very clear which stations have disappointed you, and you gave enough details about yourself here that a journalist in possession of your internship application would be able to identify you. Remember that journalists tend to be inquisitive people and are often good at piecing together an entire picture from clues. Now they know that you don't approve of how they conduct their business. Why would they hire you?

Again, I don't see how I can make this any clearer. Do not EVER talk on the internet about a job you hope to land.



Ha ha ha ha WRONG. This is not just the way they treat potential interns, but candidates for other jobs as well. What you described is typical in television.


I see. I guess it's normal to give off a bad impression to the public? Anyways, I'm still unsure on how you feel I've given too much information?
It'd be nice to know

[Spike]

Anyways, I'm still unsure on how you feel I've given too much information?

And that is probably why you're not getting called back.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

And that is probably why you're not getting called back.

That didn't even answer the question!

[Spike]

That didn't even answer the question!

Obviously you know the answer to the question yourself, because you've already edited your post at least twice (once at 5:33 and again at 6:31) to remove some of those details. Keep digging your hole, chump, and watch your career slip further and further out of your reach. Or you can stop trying to defend this bit of ignorance and learn something from the mistake.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Obviously you know the answer to the question yourself, because you've already edited your post at least twice (once at 5:33 and again at 6:31) to remove some of those details. Keep digging your hole, chump, and watch your career slip further and further out of your reach. Or you can stop trying to defend this bit of ignorance and learn something from the mistake.

So it's ruining my career because a bankrupt station won't take me in?

[Spike]

So it's ruining my career because a bankrupt station won't take me in?

New advice: Skip the internship altogether and apply for management positions. I realize now that you would fit right in with them.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

New advice: Skip the internship altogether and apply for management positions. I realize now that you would fit right in with them.

haha. I might take that advice to heart! I think I'd fit right in!
Don't you get bored of talking with college kids on medialine posts? Or do you find this entertaining?

This is my way of procrastinating on doing homework.

[Sans-a-belt]

the way these places treat their possible interns (and viewers) seems unconventional.



Um - no. To paraphrase Mr. Cronkite, that's just the way it is.

By the way, why do you seem to think you're entitled to an internship just because you submitted an application? Most people applying for jobs in TV news don't get squat for a response. AND they don't get their tapes back either.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Um - no. To paraphrase Mr. Cronkite, that's just the way it is.

By the way, why do you seem to think you're entitled to an internship just because you submitted an application? Most people applying for jobs in TV news don't get squat for a response. AND they don't get their tapes back either.

To answer your question: no, that is not the issue. Submitting applications and getting an interview are not the issues.
The real issue is (at least from what I know): station A doesn't offer internships. Station B offers them (supposedly) and gets back to you quite timely but are in an publicly-known unorganized state right now. Station C also offers them but I only know of ONE person who is there right now and they claim they are the only intern (and the only reason they're there is because they have a friend at the station)

So, the real issue I'm trying to bring up with these posts without trying to sound complainy or impatient, is the whole issue of the lack of offering FREE labor to students... students who may not be able to graduate without a completed internship

[Beentheredonethattoo]

I usually think that Spike sounds like a big old constipated meanie (albeit a smart one), but I agree with him here.
You seem to have a real sense of entitlement when it comes to this internship! It's difficult to understand your last post because it isn't exactly coherent, but I'm gathering that you're shocked the station isn't jumping at any and all offers of "free labor". But don't you see that YOU are the one who will be getting the real goods? Yeah, the assignment desk would love to have a kid to answer the viewer phone calls, and you may be able to make yourself useful carrying gear or running errands around the newsroom, but newsrooms manage to hum along just fine without interns.
Now is the part when you may roll your eyes because I'm gonna sound like an old bitter fogey, but I had to work my a$$ off to get an unpaid internship. I had to get a special dispensation from my college to even DO a television internship (I graduated from a liberal arts school, not a j school), and then I applied all over the place until I found a spot at a station in New Orleans. That internship changed my life. (Much more so than the jobs I took to pay the bills while I was there.)
Do you absolutely have to stay in Buffalo? Can't you cast a wider net? If it means that much to you, work a little harder at it and I'd imagine you'll find something. Then go in with a ton of humility and good humor.

[Spike]

Free labor? HA!

Interns are more often more trouble than they're worth. The majority of them are absolutely worthless as free labor because they don't know how to do anything. Some of them can be trained, but with many it's completely hopeless. So you end up with a useless drag on the newsroom that somebody has to babysit. Having to babysit becomes a distraction for other people trying to do their own work.

You might say that the stations should just hire the good ones. But intern applicants tend to look alike on paper and sound alike in interviews. It's difficult to figure out which are the good ones and which are the morons. It's hard enough to do that with other positions in the newsroom, where the job candidates have material and a work record to corroborate their claims of value to the company. But with interns, who have relatively little of anything to corroborate ANY claims, one is just as good as another.

So you get some good ones and some bad ones in the mix, and hope to god the bad ones don't ***** something up. They can, you know. You will hear tales of technically incompetent interns taping over stories, deleting rundowns and even losing big stories because they didn't know how to handle them when they answered the phone.

Here's one such story: One time I was sitting in the newsroom when our intern at the desk took a call and talked to some woman for a few minutes, then said, "Okay, we'll get somebody to check on that," and hung up the phone.

"Pah!" she said. "Woman says some big building is on fire downtown."

"What building?" asked the assignment editor.

"Uh, I don't know. I didn't ask."

"Where downtown?"

"Uh..."

"Did you get a name? A number?"

"Uh..."

We ended up finding the fire by having the MCO swing the tower cam around to discover that the twentieth floor of the tallest high-rise apartment building in the city was on fire. We lost a good ten minutes lead we might have had on that story if the girl hadn't been a moron.

In that situation, we would have been better off WITHOUT the "free labor." And that's why your local stations don't bother. They can't afford it.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Free labor? HA!

Interns are more often more trouble than they're worth. The majority of them are absolutely worthless as free labor because they don't know how to do anything. Some of them can be trained, but with many it's completely hopeless. So you end up with a useless drag on the newsroom that somebody has to babysit. Having to babysit becomes a distraction for other people trying to do their own work.

You might say that the stations should just hire the good ones. But intern applicants tend to look alike on paper and sound alike in interviews. It's difficult to figure out which are the good ones and which are the morons. It's hard enough to do that with other positions in the newsroom, where the job candidates have material and a work record to corroborate their claims of value to the company. But with interns, who have relatively little of anything to corroborate ANY claims, one is just as good as another.

So you get some good ones and some bad ones in the mix, and hope to god the bad ones don't ***** something up. They can, you know. You will hear tales of technically incompetent interns taping over stories, deleting rundowns and even losing big stories because they didn't know how to handle them when they answered the phone.

Here's one such story: One time I was sitting in the newsroom when our intern at the desk took a call and talked to some woman for a few minutes, then said, "Okay, we'll get somebody to check on that," and hung up the phone.

"Pah!" she said. "Woman says some big building is on fire downtown."

"What building?" asked the assignment editor.

"Uh, I don't know. I didn't ask."

"Where downtown?"

"Uh..."

"Did you get a name? A number?"

"Uh..."

We ended up finding the fire by having the MCO swing the tower cam around to discover that the twentieth floor of the tallest high-rise apartment building in the city was on fire. We lost a good ten minutes lead we might have had on that story if the girl hadn't been a moron.

In that situation, we would have been better off WITHOUT the "free labor." And that's why your local stations don't bother. They can't afford it.

As much as I agree with you, there's some of us (myself) who are serious about the business and, while learning some things on the way (such as today), know what to do in situations such as the one you've mentioned.
It sounds to me that you're biased against interns, and one part of me can't blame you... but there's another part of me that died inside because there's incompetent kids out there ruining a golden opportunity for the rest of us. Not only in the business as interns but in college as well- it just seems that there's not as much proactivity in society as there used to be.
Anyways, I REALLY hope you didn't get that impression from me!
While some things may have slipped today, I am completely serious with my career path and I know the GENERAL direction to head and again, while some things may have slipped today and could have trainwrecked an opportunity, if they feel that I, a hard-worker and dedicated individual, am not for them- then what is meant to be is meant to be. They might end up having one of those people spike talks about.

[Who Cares???]

New advice: Skip the internship altogether and apply for management positions. I realize now that you would fit right in with them.

That is so wild...

I know people like that. One day they're interns, and the next day they're General Managers... Kinda scary if you think about it.
Personally, my nose is (super) clean...

[SamG]

Returner, are you not reading what Spike said? Interns are a dime a dozen. Everyone is going to say during the interview "I'm a hard worker", "I want to learn", "I'm serious about the business". Take that and a quarter and you might get some coffee from the break room.

Interns are a crap shoot. Some are gold, some aren't much better than a bump on a log. You've already said of the three stations, one doesn't use interns, and one only has one (and that position is claimed). This (along with your hope to "intern all four years" ) tells me you didn't do your homework when selecting a college. You picked somewhere that would make it difficult to meet your goals.

You also don't say whether you used your school's contacts to get an internship. And if you think your professors don't know folks at the stations, think again.

Something else you don't bring up... does the one station that accepts interns only take seniors? They're not going to want to teach interns EVERYTHING.

As far as the intern who got the position because they know someone... how do you think you get a job? It's all networking. Is it fair? No. But that's life.

And don't come on a message board asking for advice and when given said advice say "you're wrong". If you don't need advice, don't ask.

[Spike]

And don't come on a message board asking for advice and when given said advice say "you're wrong". If you don't need advice, don't ask.

Just think what kind of intern he would make. I think those stations dodged a bullet.

[newz2me]

Most stations that do take interns don't even look at anyone until their junior year in the first place. I know my school, you couldn't take an intership until you were a junior and I've never heard of any station taking an intern more than a semester.
I know a guy who in high school used to hang out at a station near his home because he went on a field trip once and became friends with a few on the staff that let him hang around, watch and learn but that's rare and totally off the record.
Because they don't pay you, you're compensation is college credit. If your not getting paid or getting credits then it's slave labor.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Just think what kind of intern he would make. I think those stations dodged a bullet.

I only agreed with you, spike. I didn't say you were wrong but I admitted that I was in the wrong. I like how misunderstood I'm becoming around here.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Returner, are you not reading what Spike said? Interns are a dime a dozen. Everyone is going to say during the interview "I'm a hard worker", "I want to learn", "I'm serious about the business". Take that and a quarter and you might get some coffee from the break room.

Interns are a crap shoot. Some are gold, some aren't much better than a bump on a log. You've already said of the three stations, one doesn't use interns, and one only has one (and that position is claimed). This (along with your hope to "intern all four years" ) tells me you didn't do your homework when selecting a college. You picked somewhere that would make it difficult to meet your goals.

You also don't say whether you used your school's contacts to get an internship. And if you think your professors don't know folks at the stations, think again.

Something else you don't bring up... does the one station that accepts interns only take seniors? They're not going to want to teach interns EVERYTHING.

As far as the intern who got the position because they know someone... how do you think you get a job? It's all networking. Is it fair? No. But that's life.

And don't come on a message board asking for advice and when given said advice say "you're wrong". If you don't need advice, don't ask.

Maybe I didn't pick the right college? There's some other colleges in the area with a much more extensive program... None of my professors really know anyone- given that none of them were ever really in the business.

[The Fedora]

Uh... what are you learning from them if they were never in the biz? that's scary.

[Sans-a-belt]

None of my professors really know anyone- given that none of them were ever really in the business.

Exactamundo. That's why Spike and others keeping making the same point, which you don't appear to get. It's not your fault, but you don't know much, if anything, about the way a newsroom really works. We see it ALL the time. It's very frustrating for us. We're busting it trying to get our work done and are generally too busy to teach you what your professors didn't. Interns don't help us, they slow us down. We don't have time to stop every time you have a question.

Granted, if an intern does have a head for news, and is a fast learner, that will be apparent very soon. Then they have their foot in the door (and contacts) if an entry level spot becomes available.

I realize you have to start somewhere. You may have to go to a smaller market. Most newsrooms have a person designated to choose and schedule interns. It could be an assignment editor or a special projects producer. Check with the HR department about that. I wouldn't count on hearing from the ND.

[Not a Punt Returner, a Punt Catcher]

Granted, if an intern does have a head for news, and is a fast learner, that will be apparent very soon. Then they have their foot in the door (and contacts) if an entry level spot becomes available.

Most newsrooms have a person designated to choose and schedule interns. It could be an assignment editor or a special projects producer. Check with the HR department about that. I wouldn't count on hearing from the ND.

Thanks for the pointers Sans! I'll take your advice and probably start looking into neighboring smaller markets.

[mothball]

Okay, bud, let me give you a little advice that might be a bit kinder. Though you might not like it.

First off -- BE PERSISTANT. If you are looking for experience over money (or college credit) strike up a conversation with someone already in the business. See if you can shadow this person a bit at work. Listen and take notes (and keep your mouth shut!). If you are receptive and make a good impression, that person might give you a good recommendation when it's time to select each semester's inturns.

Second -- BE HUMBLE. So the big three stations in your market won't even look at you? Surely there's another station of some sort there -- an also-ran (like a CW or RTV station), a PBS station, a cable operation. Or check out a position in a newspaper or radio newsroom. These positions are easier to obtain. You might even end up in a small-pay position rather than an internship -- maybe not as valuable for your degree, but a lot more valuable for your future career (and something you can include when you apply for internships the next time around).

Third -- BE FLEXIBLE. Let them know you're willing to work any shift -- overnights, holidays, weekends. Sometimes a station will pick up an extra intern who's willing to help out on one of the crazier shifts, especially when there's a need for more bodies on that shift.

Fourth -- no matter which internship or position you obtain, BE DEPENDABLE. Internships, like jobs, can be terminated. Be there every time they need you. Volunteer for extra work. Remember -- once you graduate, you're going to need someplace to work -- and news directors do sometimes compare notes.

I speak from experience. My start came in radio, not TV. I bugged the crap out of the program directors at every radio station I could talk with within a 90 mile radius. I ended up my senior year with two internships -- one at a station in my college town, the other 75 miles away in my hometown -- along with a part-time paying gig at yet another radio station. When it came time to start looking for a "real job," the first TV ND I talked with told me my resume and my writing skills won me the job, but it was the conversations he'd had with two of my three radio stations that sealed the deal.

Of course, this was before the day of TV bulletin boards (Medialine was still about six months away!). Don't shoot yourself in the foot any more. Don't mention the stations. If you're frustrated, go have a drink with your friends or walk the block -- airing it here won't help you. The J Forum is for advice.

[newz2me]

The closest neighboring markets to you are probably Elmira and Syracuse to the west and southwest but there's a lot of other small markets in NY. Watertown, Utica, Binghamton, Albany and Syracuse. I'm sure some of them must have internships available.

[F4 Fan]

As a former intern coordinator and a production cameraman whose worked with a lot of interns over the past three decades, the advice that Mothball has given you is dead on and I can’t really say it nearly as well as he does. But you would be very wise to heed his instruction.

I have had interns caught stealing money from employee purses; we have had them drop out of sight way too many times to keep track of. Some feel that just because they are pretty and articulate that the station will fawn all over them and make them the “entertainment reporter” or at the very least they’ll get to anchor the weekend sportscast. You should have seen the look on one young woman’s face when I told her that for her first job she would probably have to shoot, write and edit her own packages and that it wouldn’t be in the number five market. Her jaw nearly hit the table – literally. Nearly everyone wanting to get into television thinks they are entitled to more than they deserve and the sad fact is that this isn’t nearly as glamorous as it seems. It does become work and yes sometimes we do have to fill the hole and cover the black.

Please do not look at an internship opportunity as free slave labor. At the very least you should be receiving college credit either from your department or as work experience. One station I worked at paid tuition and some expenses to the interns in lieu of pay. Please don’t give your time away for nothing just for the opportunity to hang out at the station.

Don’t limit yourself to just news and don’t limit yourself just to the regional broadcast stations. So the three stations in your area don’t have much need or interest in internship programs – move on. My first internship was at a Public Access station where I was taught to edit, got to direct, shot sports, ran camera on way to many studio productions, lit studios, ran audio and may have even gotten coffee. My point is that I got to do a lot of things other than answer phones or carry some photographer’s tripod and yes they did eventually hire me.

Finally and I will reiterate some of Moth’s advice; show up, shut up and speak when spoken to. There are enough know-it-alls’ in television already.

[that's life]

I have had interns caught stealing money from employee purses...
Some feel that just because they are pretty and articulate that the station will fawn all over them and make them the “entertainment reporter” or at the very least they’ll get to anchor the weekend sportscast. You should have seen the look on one young woman’s face when I told her that for her first job she would probably have to shoot, write and edit her own packages and that it wouldn’t be in the number five market. Her jaw nearly hit the table – literally.

As for the first part- THAT is unbelievable and horrible! I can't believe people are like that! Even in what I'm assuming is number 5, Dallas?
I'm surprised you cowboys still take interns!
And the second part- that is hilarious you say that! I'm not in the biz but it seems like that's how kids are today: all about attention and glamour. This biz is not like that at all! You have to work for what you want.
But I don't think you're like that simply because you look at medialine. I shouldn't assume these things though.
And moth is right on with everything- take his advice. And be Humble for goodness sake! With a capital H!
If you follow his guidelines, good luck and I'm sure you'll find something.

[The Chain]

While I think it's extemely important to have an internship, I'm taking a different route. Right now I'm a junior in college and have been working in TV for almost two and a half years now (I'm in a market a little smaller than Buffalo), and I've been on the payroll of a TV station for the same amount of time.

My suggestion, look for jobs behind the scenes. I started off making minimum wage running camera at a station here in town, then six months later moved on to a different station to do the same thing (better station, better pay). After a few months working horrible hours there, I went to the third station in town which turned out to be the perfect fit. I'm still working in production, still running camera, but I'm also working a lot on the station's website and helping out a lot around the newsroom and couldn't be happier. Plus, I'm getting internship credit for my paying job!

You not only have to show initiative, you have to show the MOST initiative. You have to look at everything as an opportunity and always be looking for the next big thing. If I hadn't been aggressive I'd still be working at that first station (where I was basically paying to work), but even that is SO much better than nothing.

In my short time working in TV, I've learned that it's a business where most people aren't going to do you any favors. It's completely about who you know. Going into my current newsroom, I already knew several people from my previous jobs (a couple of whom really helped get me the job), and sad to say that connections coupled with skill get you the job.

I wish you the best of luck.

[newz2me]

Interns very greatly, a few have been better than some of my co-workers. I've also had a few that are quite naive. One girl stated one day that she wanted to get a job as an anchor. This is a girl was a college senior and you'd think by taking all her classes she'd understand that nobody just becomes an anchor without working their way up to it.
I do see some coming up the ranks that do think they're entitled to the brass ring without all the sweat. Back in my Commercial Production days at a small market station, we got a resume from a person who was VERY specific on their minimum salary requirements. They wanted $40,000 a year. I was making $16,500 a year. My boss was making around $26,000 he was like "yeah, I'd like to make $40,000 too." That was worth a laugh.

[F4 Fan]

that's life,

Just to clarify something. At the time I interviewed that young lady we were the number five market: San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose. Since then we’ve dropped a place to number six. Unfortunately our football teams have dropped even further than that. Raiders, 49ers, Stanford, Cal and San Jose State – it hasn’t been a pretty football season. Now if T.O. can just learn to hang on to the ball.

As for interns having sticky fingers – when I worked at TechTV there was a lot of theft and sadly once the network was for sale it got even worse. One day one of the anchors walked into the announce booth and no microphone, no DVC-Pro deck just cables. Sure enough it had been an intern that cleaned us out. Nice way to start your career.

[newsdoc]

Having visited this thread over the past few days, I've pretty much decided that it is in fact a "Fake Post". Somebody is laughing, at the amount of work missed, evident by the amount of responses here.

"Newz2me's" original post, which was a great response, should have been the end (nothing personal Spike).

[trunky]

"some aren't much better than a bump on a log."

hey man...bumps on logs are awesome.

I'm just sayin.

[Spike]

Having visited this thread over the past few days, I've pretty much decided that it is in fact a "Fake Post". Somebody is laughing, at the amount of work missed, evident by the amount of responses here.

"Newz2me's" original post, which was a great response, should have been the end (nothing personal Spike).

You're probably right. I should have refrained from posting just because of the original poster's stupid screen name.