Holy Crap! The CBS Evening News Needs Help! [Archive]

Fake Post

Dec 14th 2006, 08:55 AM

Did anyone catch that tasteless tease on CBS News' "Katie and Friends" last night?

That was a totally tasteless slug on the passing of Peter Boyle.

Doesn't an editor catch these things anymore or are the 20-somethings now running network news?

I hope I never see a news slug about a death titled "Holy Crap" again.

The person who thought that was a cute pun on Boyle's catch phrase should be publicly flogged and humiliated at the next news meeting.

[ December 14, 2006, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: Fake Post ]

Produce man

Dec 14th 2006, 11:07 AM

Where do I send my tape again?
:rolleyes:

The Mockingbird

Dec 14th 2006, 11:57 AM

Everybody Loves Dead Guy.

Roy Hobbs

Dec 14th 2006, 07:55 PM

No the 20 somethings are running (or should I say ruining) local news.

Give them another five years before they make their mark at what used to be the network level.

Kace

Dec 15th 2006, 05:04 AM

Maybe it was planted there by Ann Curry. graemlins/eusa_whistle.gif

Diplomat

Dec 15th 2006, 05:53 AM

Poor taste? To be sure.

But this is hardly the worst thing ever aired on the CBS Evening News or any other broadcast.

SpxGrunt

Dec 17th 2006, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Diplomat:
Poor taste? To be sure.

But this is hardly the worst thing ever aired on the CBS Evening News or any other broadcast.graemlins/face_banghead.gif

TVMattNYC

Dec 27th 2006, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Diplomat:
Poor taste? To be sure.

But this is hardly the worst thing ever aired on the CBS Evening News or any other broadcast.How about CBS Radio (not to mention CNN) running the audio of Senator Johnson having his stroke?

The race to the bottom is accelerating ...

Diplomat

Dec 27th 2006, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Diplomat:
Poor taste? To be sure.

But this is hardly the worst thing ever aired on the CBS Evening News or any other broadcast.How about CBS Radio (not to mention CNN) running the audio of Senator Johnson having his stroke?

The race to the bottom is accelerating ...[/QUOTE]I was not aware they did this. That's pathetic.

You may know more about this than I do, but didn't Senator Johnson's incident occur during a conference call with reporters and NOT a live interview?

TVMattNYC

Dec 27th 2006, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Diplomat:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Diplomat:
Poor taste? To be sure.

But this is hardly the worst thing ever aired on the CBS Evening News or any other broadcast.How about CBS Radio (not to mention CNN) running the audio of Senator Johnson having his stroke?

The race to the bottom is accelerating ...[/QUOTE]I was not aware they did this. That's pathetic.

You may know more about this than I do, but didn't Senator Johnson's incident occur during a conference call with reporters and NOT a live interview?[/QUOTE]It was during a speech.

Diplomat

Dec 27th 2006, 01:35 PM

Just did some checking. Senator Johnson's incident occurred during a conference call with reporters, according to Fox News and Minnesota Public Radio.

TVMattNYC

Dec 27th 2006, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Diplomat:
Just did some checking. Senator Johnson's incident occurred during a conference call with reporters, according to Fox News and Minnesota Public Radio.My mistake.

Still doesn't excuse AIRING his stroke.

Produce man

Dec 27th 2006, 04:46 PM

Was it live or on tape?

Diplomat

Dec 27th 2006, 04:47 PM

Spike

Dec 27th 2006, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Diplomat:
Just did some checking. Senator Johnson's incident occurred during a conference call with reporters, according to Fox News and Minnesota Public Radio.My mistake.

Still doesn't excuse AIRING his stroke.[/QUOTE]In another situation I might agree with you, but in this instance I have to disagree.

Different sources were characterizing what happened in different ways. I heard it variously described as everything from little more than a stutter to a full on collapse. Almost immediately after the incident, both political parties and a whole bunch of other interested entities started stirring up discussions of the political implications in the Senate, further confusing what happened. There were even conspiracy theorists popping up suggesting that it was a Republican plot.

In that kind of weird, politically charged environment, what actually happened becomes important to the story. The problem is that after so many *******s had weighed in on what they thought happened, there was no way to know who to trust in the characterization of what happened. That's why it's important to just let the audio speak for itself, for accuracy's sake.

Or are you trying to say that his stroke during an address in his official capacity isn't newsworthy? If he had suffered the stroke on television during a press conference, would you have expected that not to run either?

TVMattNYC

Dec 28th 2006, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Spike:
[QUOTE]Or are you trying to say that his stroke during an address in his official capacity isn't newsworthy? If he had suffered the stroke on television during a press conference, would you have expected that not to run either?That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. Even public officials deserve SOME privacy. If he'd sh!t his pants during the stroke, would you have wanted a close-up of that, too? After all, we need to quiet all those conspiracy pundits ...

Fake Post

Dec 28th 2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spike:
Or are you trying to say that his stroke during an address in his official capacity isn't newsworthy? If he had suffered the stroke on television during a press conference, would you have expected that not to run either?That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. Even public officials deserve SOME privacy. If he'd sh!t his pants during the stroke, would you have wanted a close-up of that, too? After all, we need to quiet all those conspiracy pundits ...He sh1t his pants?!?!

I know someone who would report that...

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Spike

Dec 28th 2006, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. I'm sorry, I thought you worked in television. I didn't realize you worked in print.

TVMattNYC

Dec 28th 2006, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. I'm sorry, I thought you worked in television. I didn't realize you worked in print.[/QUOTE]I *AM* television, you twit.

And working in television does not give us license to invade anyone's privacy.

Spike

Dec 28th 2006, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:

And working in television does not give us license to invade anyone's privacy.He's a public figure who was on a conference call with reporters when a newsworthy event happened. I can't see how he could have any reasonable expectation of privacy in that situation.

TVMattNYC

Dec 28th 2006, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:

And working in television does not give us license to invade anyone's privacy.He's a public figure who was on a conference call with reporters when a newsworthy event happened. I can't see how he could have any reasonable expectation of privacy in that situation.[/QUOTE]So those REPORTERS should feel free to REPORT on the NEWSWORTHY EVENT.

But *REPORTING* does not mean EXPLOITING.

There's a difference.

Spike

Dec 28th 2006, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
So those REPORTERS should feel free to REPORT on the NEWSWORTHY EVENT.

But *REPORTING* does not mean EXPLOITING.

There's a difference.Using video or audio of the newsworthy event in the reporting of that event is not usually considered exploitation. That's why I wondered if you were really in television. It must be hard to get a newscast on the air with no video, since you obviously wouldn't want to "exploit" anyone with a camera.

Kace

Dec 29th 2006, 04:36 AM

Just be happy he didn't blow his brains out on Live TV.

TVMattNYC

Dec 29th 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
So those REPORTERS should feel free to REPORT on the NEWSWORTHY EVENT.

But *REPORTING* does not mean EXPLOITING.

There's a difference.Using video or audio of the newsworthy event in the reporting of that event is not usually considered exploitation. That's why I wondered if you were really in television. It must be hard to get a newscast on the air with no video, since you obviously wouldn't want to "exploit" anyone with a camera.[/QUOTE]I run a network television broadcast.

Stop being an a$$.

Spike

Dec 29th 2006, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
I run a network television broadcast.So do the people being criticized by this thread. If you think network news operations are a "race to the bottom," as you referred to them above, the fact that you work among them doesn't actually lend you any extra credibility.

TVMattNYC

Dec 29th 2006, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
I run a network television broadcast.So do the people being criticized by this thread. If you think network news operations are a "race to the bottom," as you referred to them above, the fact that you work among them doesn't actually lend you any extra credibility.[/QUOTE]The Katie Couric Show is NOT a news broadcast.

The Mockingbird

Dec 29th 2006, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
I run a network television broadcast.So do the people being criticized by this thread. If you think network news operations are a "race to the bottom," as you referred to them above, the fact that you work among them doesn't actually lend you any extra credibility.[/QUOTE]The Katie Couric Show is NOT a news broadcast.[/QUOTE]Seconded.

newsjunkie2003

Dec 29th 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Diplomat:
How about CBS Radio (not to mention CNN) running the audio of Senator Johnson having his stroke?

The race to the bottom is accelerating ...[/QUOTE]Having worked recently for a CBS Radio affiliate...CBS Radio has been racing to the bottom for years -- especially on the weekends.

Some of their choices to lead their newscast leave a lot to be desired...

Murphy Brown 2003

Dec 29th 2006, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spike:
Or are you trying to say that his stroke during an address in his official capacity isn't newsworthy? If he had suffered the stroke on television during a press conference, would you have expected that not to run either?That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. Even public officials deserve SOME privacy. Using your logic, the news media should have only reported that JFK had been shot instead of showing us the video of it. We should have only been told that Reagan was nearly assassinated, but not been privvy to video of it. Reporters should have told us what happened on 9/11, instead of showing footage of the planes hitting the buildings.

TVMattNYC

Dec 29th 2006, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Murphy Brown 2003:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spike:
Or are you trying to say that his stroke during an address in his official capacity isn't newsworthy? If he had suffered the stroke on television during a press conference, would you have expected that not to run either?That's exactly what I'm saying.

It's our job to REPORT he had a stroke. Period. Even public officials deserve SOME privacy. Using your logic, the news media should have only reported that JFK had been shot instead of showing us the video of it. We should have only been told that Reagan was nearly assassinated, but not been privvy to video of it. Reporters should have told us what happened on 9/11, instead of showing footage of the planes hitting the buildings.[/QUOTE]Love your strawman argument strategy.

Now please stop being silly. Thank you.

Spike

Dec 29th 2006, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
Love your strawman argument strategy.That wasn't a straw man. That was an argument by analogy. Don't use terms when you don't know their meaning.

To break an argument by analogy, you must show how the analogy doesn't apply. You must first show how the circumstances of the analog are not the same as the situation being argued, then show that the differences actually matter. You didn't do that, probably because you can't.

The Reagan analogy is particularly good. Two public figures. Two brushes with death. Both in public, under electronic surveillance, in front of reporters and thus on the record. Both with a potential for serious political consequences. Both newsworthy events.

Would you use the footage of Reagan in a newscast? If so, you're guilty of exactly the same "exploitation" of which you accuse CNN and CBS Radio. By your own argument, the Reagan incident should have been reported, but not shown.

TVMattNYC

Dec 29th 2006, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
Love your strawman argument strategy.That wasn't a straw man. That was an argument by analogy. Don't use terms when you don't know their meaning.

To break an argument by analogy, you must show how the analogy doesn't apply. You must first show how the circumstances of the analog are not the same as the situation being argued, then show that the differences actually matter. You didn't do that, probably because you can't.

The Reagan analogy is particularly good. Two public figures. Two brushes with death. Both in public, under electronic surveillance, in front of reporters and thus on the record. Both with a potential for serious political consequences. Both newsworthy events.

Would you use the footage of Reagan in a newscast? If so, you're guilty of exactly the same "exploitation" of which you accuse CNN and CBS Radio. By your own argument, the Reagan incident should have been reported, but not shown.[/QUOTE]Fine.

The analogy doesn't work.

Happy now?

Spike

Dec 29th 2006, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
Fine.

The analogy doesn't work.

Happy now?That's not an argument. That's a statement of opinion. If you want to break the analogy, you have to tell us why it doesn't work.

I take your answer to mean that you can't, and that you're admitting that you're wrong. So, yes, I'm happy now.

Backtimer11

Dec 29th 2006, 08:19 PM

Tonight no better: re: Randall Pinkston goof during toss to pkg.

TVMattNYC

Dec 30th 2006, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Backtimer11:
Tonight no better: re: Randall Pinkston goof during toss to pkg.You leave Randall Pinkston alone.

He has more journalistic integrity in one little finger than most of you a$$clowns put together.

Spike

Dec 30th 2006, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Backtimer11:
Tonight no better: re: Randall Pinkston goof during toss to pkg.You leave Randall Pinkston alone.

He has more journalistic integrity in one little finger than most of you a$$clowns put together.[/QUOTE]How could he? You said he didn't work for a news program. Apparently he's now working on some sort of entertainment show.

Sir Dropham Pants

Dec 30th 2006, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Spike:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TVMattNYC:
Fine.

The analogy doesn't work.

Happy now?That's not an argument. That's a statement of opinion. If you want to break the analogy, you have to tell us why it doesn't work.

I take your answer to mean that you can't, and that you're admitting that you're wrong. So, yes, I'm happy now.[/QUOTE]http://images.quizilla.com/R/RE/RED/redexplosion/1146702501_ent_clinic.jpg

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