Verizon Vaporlocal VJs

[Spike]

There was much hype about Rosenblum's "hyperlocal" VJs on the Verizon system a few months ago, then... nothing. It was supposed to be on fiber optic cable AND on the web. Rosenblum promised he'd let us know when we could see examples of this stellar journalism on the internet. Yet we still see nothing.

Whatever happened to them? Has that operation folded yet, or are they still pretending to produce news?

[Rosenblum]

They're producing every day on Channel 1 if you have FiOS in DC. You really don't have much to do with your time these days, do you Shaky? Maybe you would be happier if you got a job or something.

[ June 07, 2007, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Rosenblum ]

[Spike]

I do not live in the DC area, so I can't see it. You said we would be able to see it on the web, but quite conveniently for you that hasn't materialized. When will we get to see this amazing hyperlocal content that's going to put us all out of our jobs?

I suspect the absence of the website is a result of embarrassment over the quality of the product.

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Maybe you would be happier if you got a job or something.That's not very original, Mike. Maybe you should start incorrectly accusing him of being anti-semitic as well? You seem to save that for your favorites.

He asked a very valid question, and you refused to respond without being a jackass. You claim yourself to be an educated man, yet you have no idea how that makes you look?

Wow.

For someone who's so "this is the new wave of news broadcasting," you sure as hell ain't paving any new roads with a weak-ass cable news outfit.

Edit: since you don't have a website and are cable-based only, what exactly are your crews doing that makes them "hyperlocal" (other than working for a guy who loves marketing meaningless buzzwords)? Sounds like a regular local crew to me.

[ June 07, 2007, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]

[Rosenblum]

Verizon has not put up the website yet, although we have been on cable for some time. In the meantime, since you are so interested, you can read about it here:

I still think you guys should go and get paying jobs. I would hire you myself but I think you spend far too much time screwing around on the web and not enough working. smile.gif ]marketwatch.com (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fios1-verizons-first-local-tv/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E18CE92-E49F-4D70-AC0E-41896414483C%7D&sid=182435&symb=[/URL)

[ June 08, 2007, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Rosenblum ]

[Chicago Dog]

I can't figure out what's funnier: the fact that you can't answer valid, worthwhile questions, or that you're still cutting-and-pasting a press release that's almost three months old.

Your "news" station isn't "hyperlocal." It's only available to subscribers of a cable system. Wouldn't that make it quasilocal?

[JoinUsForCake]

WTF does "hyperlocal" mean, anyhow?

Sounds like a bullcrappity marketing term to me.

EDIT-
Think I get the picture now:
http://frumin.net/img/hyper-hypo.png

[ June 07, 2007, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: JoinUsForCake ]

[Union Label]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:

I still think you guys should go and get paying jobs. I would hire you myself but I think you spend far too much time screwing around on the web and not enough working. smile.gif You're not doing too bad yourself with over 400 posts in less than six months! ;)

[Spike]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Verizon has not put up the website yet, although we have been on cable for some time. So you're blaming Verizon for this? I think that's funny, since you have made it abundantly clear on several occasions that you own and run the production company. How is it that you've lost control of your own company and don't have any say in the development of the website?

Edit to add:

By the way, the article you linked is essentially the same press release you linked last time I asked this question over a month ago. I don't know why you think we would want to read the same bullsh*t marketing crap over and over.

Also, do you suppose you could edit your link so that it isn't *****ing up the formatting of the page? I realize that using the http://www.medialine.com/ubb/NonCGI/url.gif button may present a higher learning curve than that to which you're accustomed, but it's easy enough that there's really no excuse for your sloppiness.

[ June 07, 2007, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Spike ]

[The Mockingbird]

Perhaps if he took my special course for Digital Internet Correspondants, he'd do a better job with his posts.

Also, using DICs means a savings of more than sixty percent over traditional posts.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Mockingbird Peeps:
Also, using DICs means a savings of more than sixty percent over traditional posts.I suppose that's a "per word" savings and also includes the 30% failure rate of words that are written into the posts and then deleted.

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Verizon has not put up the website yet, although we have been on cable for some time.


Ok, fine. So we can't see the streaming version, or whatever. You could YouTube a couple of examples for us to see, if you were really interested in proving your point.

EDIT: After a feverish search, I found it. Someone has placed a Push-Pause (Rosenblum's "Hyperlocal" news show) package on YouTube. Judge for yourself:
Push-Pause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfrnOZSADcs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex% 2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendID %3D144361669)

My opinion? Video looks ok (not really fair to judge that on YouTube), but the reporter sounds like he couldn't possibly be less interested in the story.

[ June 08, 2007, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: wxgeek ]

[Spike]

Originally posted by wxgeek:
My opinion? Video looks ok (not really fair to judge that on YouTube), but the reporter sounds like he couldn't possibly be less interested in the story.Slightly below average shooting (what the hell is that light on the rapper around 1:30--is that a freakin' flashlight?), bad editing and terrible presentation. The combination of the terrible voiceover and the terrible audio mixing made it unintelligible in places.

Plus, what was the point? A rapper performs at a club. Why is this a story? What's special about this particular wrapper that makes him more newsworthy than the hundreds of other rappers and musicians playing bars while waiting for their big breaks?

Is this representative of their product? No wonder Rosenblum doesn't want anybody to see it.

[ June 08, 2007, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Spike ]

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Spike:

Is this representative of their product? No wonder Rosenblum doesn't want anybody to see it.I'll bet dollars to pesos it'll be taken down from YouTube before too long, for "copyright infringement".

[Rosenblum]

Originally posted by Spike:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wxgeek:
My opinion? Video looks ok (not really fair to judge that on YouTube), but the reporter sounds like he couldn't possibly be less interested in the story.Slightly below average shooting (what the hell is that light on the rapper around 1:30--is that a freakin' flashlight?), bad editing and terrible presentation. The combination of the terrible voiceover and the terrible audio mixing made it unintelligible in places.

Plus, what was the point? A rapper performs at a club. Why is this a story? What's special about this particular wrapper that makes him more newsworthy than the hundreds of other rappers and musicians playing bars while waiting for their big breaks?

Is this representative of their product? No wonder Rosenblum doesn't want anybody to see it.</font>[/QUOTE]Dear Shaky
This is the work, (and by far not the best work) of a 23 year old kid on his first job. He gets a lot of lattitude - he gets to make whole pieces.. and he gets to do it a lot. It's a great first job.

Why don't you post some examples of work from your first job when you were in your early 20s - something you shot, reported, wrote, edited and produced so I can critique that for everyone as well.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
This is the work, (and by far not the best work) of a 23 year old kid on his first job. Wait, back when we pointed out that your WKRN and KRON disasters would end up with stations hiring 23 year olds right out of college, you insisted that the "VJ movement" wasn't about hiring 23 year olds in large markets for their first jobs. And yet, now, that's exactly what you're doing.

Caught in yet another untruth.

[Rosenblum]

This is not KRON. This is not KGTV. This is a tiny hyperlocal project. Perfect for first job.

Now I am still waiting to see your work and not hear your excuses.

Post please so we may all see what you do.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
This is not KRON. This is not KGTV. This is a tiny hyperlocal project. In a top ten market, where he's competing with people with years more experience and a lot more skill.

[workin for the man]

First of all ... this is not this guy's first job. Maybe his first job in "news", but he is a 30-year old who has a history in documentry film. This is probably the best of the work done, as this particular VJ is probably the most experienced of the group. Don't pawn this off as a 23-year-olds first attempt at making teevee.

EDIT: if you look at the bio of the guy who posted it ... I am incorrect to the 30-year-old quip ... its actually a 38-year-old kid. Here's another of his stories : here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKDRnVGFrQ)

Must be fun being 38 and making 30,000 a year in the greater DC area.

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
This is not KRON. This is not KGTV. This is a tiny hyperlocal project. Perfect for first job.

Now I am still waiting to see your work and not hear your excuses.

Post please so we may all see what you do.No, I think you should hunt my work down, like I had to do for yours.

After watching the second link, I see a lot of shaky camera work, and the interview subject has the top of his head cut off consistently. I shot better stuff on my first day as a photog.

[ June 08, 2007, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: wxgeek ]

[Spike]

Originally posted by wxgeek:
After watching the second link, I see a lot of shaky camera work, and the interview subject has the top of his head cut off consistently. I shot better stuff on my first day as a photog.No, you don't understand, because you're one of the troglodytes and dinosaurs. The shaky camerawork and bad framing, when done by a VJ™, are Edgy!™ and New!™

[Rosenblum]

Please post your work. If you have any to post.

[Produce man]

Originally posted by Spike:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wxgeek:
After watching the second link, I see a lot of shaky camera work, and the interview subject has the top of his head cut off consistently. I shot better stuff on my first day as a photog.No, you don't understand, because you're one of the troglodytes and dinosaurs. The shaky camerawork and bad framing, when done by a VJ™, are Edgy!™ and New!™</font>[/QUOTE]LOL!

[Produce man]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Please post your work. If you have any to post.You want him to post one of his weathercasts?

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Please post your work. If you have any to post.You want him to post one of his weathercasts?</font>[/QUOTE]Now, now, Pro...I used to be a photog while I was trying to break into the business (before I decided that I had a face for radio and would be better pursuing that angle...where I've been quite successful.)

I'll look and see if any of the stories I shot are still on my old station's web page, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to wait for Rosenblum to post his VJ's work. Because he hasn't done so yet. The two examples have not been posted by Rosenblum. Seems he doesn't feel like supporting his own product. Surprise, surprise.

[ June 08, 2007, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: wxgeek ]

[Produce man]

Oh, okay.

[Rosenblum]

Originally posted by wxgeek:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Please post your work. If you have any to post.You want him to post one of his weathercasts?</font>[/QUOTE]Now, now, Pro...I used to be a photog while I was trying to break into the business (before I decided that I had a face for radio and would be better pursuing that angle...where I've been quite successful.)

I'll look and see if any of the stories I shot are still on my old station's web page, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to wait for Rosenblum to post his VJ's work. Because he hasn't done so yet. The two examples have not been posted by Rosenblum. Seems he doesn't feel like supporting his own product. Surprise, surprise.</font>[/QUOTE]You are obviously new to this endless and pointless discussion. You can see the work of many VJs at www.rosenblumtv.com (http://www.rosenblumtv.com)

I have no problem supporting the work of my people. The board is filled with loud mouth blowhards who have nothing to show of their own.

Weatherman, huh?

well, what can I say....

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wxgeek:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Please post your work. If you have any to post.You want him to post one of his weathercasts?</font>[/QUOTE]Now, now, Pro...I used to be a photog while I was trying to break into the business (before I decided that I had a face for radio and would be better pursuing that angle...where I've been quite successful.)

I'll look and see if any of the stories I shot are still on my old station's web page, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to wait for Rosenblum to post his VJ's work. Because he hasn't done so yet. The two examples have not been posted by Rosenblum. Seems he doesn't feel like supporting his own product. Surprise, surprise.</font>[/QUOTE]You are obviously new to this endless and pointless discussion. You can see the work of many VJs at www.rosenblumtv.com (http://www.rosenblumtv.com)

I have no problem supporting the work of my people. The board is filled with loud mouth blowhards who have nothing to show of their own.

Weatherman, huh?

well, what can I say....</font>[/QUOTE]How about a link to some examples of this "Hyperlocal" Verizon stuff you've been squawking about for the last couple of months. I don't see any "Push-pause" stories on that page.

Snake-oil salesman, huh?

Well, what can I say...

[Chicago Dog]

Still waiting on that definition of "hyperlocal." I know we won't get a definition, but I thought I'd ask again anyway because it's fun to watch you squirm.

[Rosenblum]

Of all the people who post here, you are without a doubt the DUMBEST. What do YOU think it means? Come on, stretch your brain....

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Of all the people who post here, you are without a doubt the DUMBEST. What do YOU think it means? Come on, stretch your brain....I think it means that you've invented a crappy buzzword. After all, "Hypersnake oil" sounds much better than regular "snake oil."

[Rosenblum]

Whaddya think...rainy today, or what?

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Whaddya think...rainy today, or what?Where are you located, Rosie? I'll make you a forecast. Unlike you, I can handle criticism. I would make it "hyperlocal" for you, but, since I work in radio, I don't have anyone handy who could shoot crappy, shaky weather video.

[ June 09, 2007, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: wxgeek ]

[Rosenblum]

Fair enough.
53rd Street and Fifth Ave. Manhattan.
And now you also understand hyperlocal.

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Fair enough.
53rd Street and Fifth Ave. Manhattan.
And now you also understand hyperlocal.I wasn't questioning hyperlocal, that was Chicago Dog. Learning to read would be a great next step in your career.

Anyway:
A few lingering, brief showers early this afternoon, otherwise, partly cloudy with a high of 82. Tonight, partly cloudy, still a few spotty showers, with a low of 61.

Now you understand the idea of standing behind your product and accepting criticism, instead of hiding behind personal attacks.

[ June 09, 2007, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: wxgeek ]

[Rosenblum]

As I look out my window this seems to be right so far, but no showers as of yet. And I have always stood behind my product....also under it, over it, next to it... Trust me, I have been doing this for almost 20 years. But thanks for the forecast.

[wxgeek]

You're welcome. You can expect a bill for my consulting fee within the next few weeks.

[Rosenblum]

Ah... two lessons.. for free: First, get half payment up front. Second structure a step deal. First I get temperature... then humidity... then cloud structures... pay as you go. Renewable on a yearly basis. 3 year minimum.

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Of all the people who post here, you are without a doubt the DUMBEST. What do YOU think it means? Come on, stretch your brain....Because I ask the right questions that you absolutely refuse to answer?

Let's review:

1. What is your definition of "hyperlocal?"

My reason for asking: everyone who has seen the term since its introduction assume it's another marketing buzzword. You have yet to disprove this theory.

2. Why did you incorrectly accuse me of being anti-semitic?

My reason for asking: I'm not (nor have I ever been) anti-semitic. I'm just trying to figure out what "stinking anti-semitic comments" you're claiming I made over at b-roll.net's forums.

I have no reason to validate myself to you, but I will be thinking of you while I'm overseas keeping steady work as you're sucking creamed corn through a straw and praying you make it to the bathroom in time.

I think it's very funny that you can go around and tell people they have no right to pass judgment on what you're preaching until they put up.

Why? You can't answer two very simple questions? Do you know what the very simple answer is?

"They're bull****."

Coining the term "hyperlocal" is a joke. There's nothing "hyper" about your "station's" coverage. In fact, of the cable subscribers that get it, most probably brush right by. You have no website for the station. Everything you claimed should have us "quakin' in our boots" hasn't happened, even at your station. It's another crappy 24-hour cable outfit, done time and time again.

And, holy **** -- get rid of some of those graphics. Or are you using that cluster-f of a display to distract from the shoddy shooting? I felt like I was watching the news on the back of a Lucky Charms cereal box.

Claiming I'm anti-semitic? Hah! I seriously could not stop laughing when I read those three PMs you sent to me; partly because of their ridiculous claims, and partly because they were sent early morning. Two of them were typed so badly, I'd swear you were smashed when you started pounding away at the keyboard.

We're not stupid, Mike. I'm one of your biggest critics (one of which who asks very simple, very straightforward questions), and you don't like that. So, you made an attempt to shut me up by making the brash, inexcusable claim that I'm anti-semitic. If it didn't come out through me, your next target was probably Spike. Am I right? I believe I am.

All I want to know is: why would you be so stupid?

Do your various employers (such as Verizon and NYU) know Michael Rosenblum is casually slinging around incredibly ignorant, potentially damning, baseless accusations regarding peoples' character and then signing his name to them?

And you call me "one of the dumbest?"

Edit: after posting the above, did Mike respond with anything worthwhile? From a private message:

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
You're going OVERSEAS!!!
How cool! OVERSEAS...you mean like on a plane and everything!!! Wow!!! Like even to EUROPE or something!!!
You are SUCH a MAROON.
OVERSEAS!!! Ha ha ha ha ha....overseas....ha ha ha..whata DOPE!
"Overseas". Can not stop laughing.....Is anyone really surprised?

[ June 09, 2007, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]

[Spike]

So now I'm really curious. Is this one guy whose work we've seen on YouTube the only VJ working on Fios 1? How big a part does Push-Pause even play in this channel? How many VJ pieces do they run each day? How often do they run?

I'm also curious about the VJ himself (or VJs, if there really are more than one). How long does he usually get to turn a piece? Is this like Voice of America, where the VJs were turning three or four packages a year?

[workin for the man]

So now I'm really curious. Is this one guy whose work we've seen on YouTube the only VJ working on Fios 1? There are four or five of them


How big a part does Push-Pause even play in this channel? It is one thirty minute show that is replayed three or four times in a 24 hour period


How many VJ pieces do they run each day? How often do they run?
Four shows are produced a week, with a story count of five to six per "episode".


I'm also curious about the VJ himself (or VJs, if there really are more than one). How long does he usually get to turn a piece? Is this like Voice of America, where the VJs were turning three or four packages a year?
I cant speak for how long they have to turn pieces, but I do know, as do the rest of you, that the VJ's started in October and did not go to air until the last day in March. They worked for six months banking evergreen-esq stories. They now are going out on four stories a week, but with a six month bank of stories, they have X week(s) to complete each one. Because each piece is evergreen, they meerly owe four pieces at the end of each week, regardless of when the piece was shot or took place.

[trunky]

So when you guys go on this attack mode thing with Rosenblum, are you trying to prove something, or just insult and pick on the man relentlessly, or fight for a cause, or what all are you guys on here...? just curious.

Did he screw you guys over professionally/personally or something?

(Don't get me wrong, I've read alot of your opinions already in that OTHER thread, but stuff like the posts in this thread lend themselves to the question...)

The guy's done lots of journalistic work, he's pitched big new ideas and got big-money clients to chose HIM... I dunno.

Criticism of philosophy and practice I get, but this stuff isn't constructive.

I mean, my hearts not bleeding or anything. I've been in the biz long enough my exoskeleton is almost fully developed.

But I dunno. This business is insane.

[Spike]

Originally posted by trunky:
So when you guys go on this attack mode thing with Rosenblum, are you trying to prove something, or just insult and pick on the man relentlessly, or fight for a cause, or what all are you guys on here...? just curious.Ever since Rosenblum appeared on B-Roll a few years ago and began insulting our craft and spouting his nonsense about how we were all dinosaurs and were afraid of the future, it has become somewhat of a hobby for some of us to stay up to date on his running tally of failures in local news. It's rather amusing to be able to say, "I told you so," and then watch him squirm and spin and continue repeating sales pitches that have long since proven meaningless.

This Vaporlocal™ VJ™ effort is just one more opportunity to have fun at Rosenblum's expense. Trust me™, he deserves it.

[Rosenblum]

It is a kind of hobby at this point.
The Verizon Project, a case in point, is very real, as you can see.
A few of them say 'what happened to' - Vaporlocal, etc... then it gets down to insults.

Personally, I think it brings a sense of purpose to their otherwise fairly empty lives.
For me it is strictly amusement at this point.

[ June 09, 2007, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Rosenblum ]

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by trunky:
So when you guys go on this attack mode thing with Rosenblum, are you trying to prove something, or just insult and pick on the man relentlessly ...From Page #2 of this topic of discussion:

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
... then it gets down to insults.And in this very same topic of discussion on Page #1 (http://www.medialine.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000939;p=1):

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Of all the people who post here, you are without a doubt the DUMBEST.I asked a very simple question. I want to know how he defines "hyperlocal." I'm not the only one who's asked. Regardless, he never answers.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Chicago Dog:
I asked a very simple question. I want to know how he defines "hyperlocal." I'm not the only one who's asked. Regardless, he never answers.Silly, you forgot to capitalize it, and you didn't include the trademark sign! There's hyperlocal; and then there's Hyperlocal!™ How do you expect him to answer if you're not clear which one you mean?

[The Thrill]

Vapor lock?

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by The Thrill:
Vapor lock?Apparently!

[Produce man]

Ah, the VJ thing again. You have to love those $3k porn cameras.

[kneedinthegroin]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
It is a kind of hobby at this point.
The Verizon Project, a case in point, is very real, as you can see.
A few of them say 'what happened to' - Vaporlocal, etc... then it gets down to insults.

Personally, I think it brings a sense of purpose to their otherwise fairly empty lives.
For me it is strictly amusement at this point.Perhaps you would have a little more credibility if you actually stayed away from the insults.

My old man always said problem with a pissing match is you always end up with some on you.

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Ah, the VJ thing again. You have to love those $3k porn cameras.Ironically, you're not very far off. Check out a thread Mikey started over at b-roll.net's forums, entitled, "Thought You Guys Would Like This One (http://www.b-roll.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18206)."

[Produce man]

Wow...

[workin for the man]

The future of local news ...

[Produce man]

Not here, fortunately.

[interloper]

Originally posted by Chicago Dog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
Ah, the VJ thing again. You have to love those $3k porn cameras.Ironically, you're not very far off. Check out a thread Mikey started over at b-roll.net's forums, entitled, "Thought You Guys Would Like This One (http://www.b-roll.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18206)."</font>[/QUOTE]Saw it and still cant' stop laughing at that goofy snake oil salesman. That was VJ work? But it is two VJ's working with each other! VJ must stand for Veritable Joke. How come those VJ's aren't doing it the right way? Ya know! All by themselves so who ever they are doing a story on isn't bothered or afraid to be real because of the "crew"? Rosie is on there claiming they aren't really a crew. Gosh, I know a bunch of places where a photog and a reporter doing a story with each other is called a crew by everyone!

[Rosenblum]

OK
We'll do this REALLY SLOWLY for those of you in the back of the class who still don't get it.

Ready.

The Brazillian Wax piece was done by an airline stewardess and a home-schooling mother of 8. Neither had ever picked up a video camera or touched an edit before.

We gave them cameras and laptops and a few days instruction.

By those standards, I like the piece.

I think it is pretty good for first time.

It is NOT for broadcast. It was part of a vlog.

vlog.

Get it?

Now... for first time out online video, I think they did a pretty good job.

now that we have straightened that out, please feel free to show me your 'professional' work so we can make some kind of comparison.

thanks

[The Mockingbird]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
OK
We'll do this REALLY SLOWLY for those of you in the back of the class who still don't get it.

Ready.

The Brazillian Wax piece was done by an airline stewardess and a home-schooling mother of 8. Neither had ever picked up a video camera or touched an edit before.

We gave them cameras and laptops and a few days instruction.

By those standards, I like the piece.

I think it is pretty good for first time.

It is NOT for broadcast. It was part of a vlog.

vlog.

Get it?

Now... for first time out online video, I think they did a pretty good job.

now that we have straightened that out, please feel free to show me your 'professional' work so we can make some kind of comparison.

thanksThat's a slippery slope, Chachi. Seems to me like what's "only fit for a V-log" today could well be your "Lead story" tomorrow, if the natural decay of standards you propose happens. If not, then why even post it as an example?

In a related story, how does a mother of 8 find time to do Hyperlocal™ news when she's not working as a flight attendant?

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
By those standards, I like the piece.And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen: Michael Rosenblum trying to throw out more excuses for why something sucks, but should be acceptable anyway.

Keep trying to lower that bar, Mikey!

Originally posted by The Mockingbird:
... how does a mother of 8 find time to do Hyperlocal™ news when she's not working as a flight attendant?Actually, one woman is the mother of 8 and the other is a flight attendant. This shoddy piece was done for that awful 5takes show.

Further, Mike's yet to explain exactly what he means by Hyperlocal!!!™. I don't think he even knows!

[ June 14, 2007, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]

[wxgeek]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:


now that we have straightened that out, please feel free to show me your 'professional' work so we can make some kind of comparison.

thanksI did, Rosie. Still waiting for you to post yours.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
The Brazillian Wax piece was done by an airline stewardess and a home-schooling mother of 8. Neither had ever picked up a video camera or touched an edit before. Then why did you post it on B-Roll as an example of good VJ work? You dig your own hole by posting bad work as an example and then making all manner of excuses for it when we point out its problems.

[interloper]

Originally posted by wxgeek:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rosenblum:


now that we have straightened that out, please feel free to show me your 'professional' work so we can make some kind of comparison.

thanksI did, Rosie. Still waiting for you to post yours.</font>[/QUOTE]The man hasn't shot anything himself in years. The man is teaching others a skill he never had himself.

[ISTHISTHINGON?]

I'VE GOT IT.... HYPER
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:EfgjQ-kJUXuJyM:http://www.allfantasyart.com/photomanipulation/crazy_pilot.jpg
LOCAL
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:U3bzIY5E--vW-M:http://www.thelittleartfactory.com/small%2520town.jpg

[Roy Hobbs]

Meanwhile, here's some VJ video of Spike and Mr. Rosenblum meeting for the first time (I'm not sure which is which)

Spike and Rosenblum meet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTDZs1Q5UG4)

[workin for the man]

Here is some more of the VVerizon Hyperlocal Fios Stuff (http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=PushPause13&p=r)

Judging by the randomness of the entries ... I would guess that this is the best they have to offer

[ June 19, 2007, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: workin for the man ]

[Rosenblum]

Originally posted by Spike:
There was much hype about Rosenblum's "hyperlocal" VJs on the Verizon system a few months ago, then... nothing. It was supposed to be on fiber optic cable AND on the web. Rosenblum promised he'd let us know when we could see examples of this stellar journalism on the internet. Yet we still see nothing.

Whatever happened to them? Has that operation folded yet, or are they still pretending to produce news?Gee Spike
I guess it does exist after all.
Don't bother to apologize.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Don't bother to apologize.Okay, I won't, since I have nothing to apologize for.

Meanwhile, word is that after the old management was canned, the new management at WKRN is doing its best to "undo" the last couple of years of missteps. Are you going to apologize for what you did to that station and the good people whose careers you disrupted?

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Spike:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rosenblum:
Don't bother to apologize.Okay, I won't, since I have nothing to apologize for.</font>[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same thing: why the hell should he apologize? He's not the one claiming we're all out of jobs because of some crappy, inept cable start-up.

[Rosenblum]

You were unemployed before I ever came along.

[Chicago Dog]

Originally posted by Rosenblum:
You were unemployed before I ever came along.Very good, Mike. That response was absolutely worthwhile. When are you going to stop with the so-called "insults" and actually answer the very valid questions?

Oops! Look! Another question you'll dodge!

Edit: Oh, what the hell: while I'm thinking about it, here's another question I know you won't answer. Do your "five or six" OMB/VJs fill a 24-hour news station wheel by turning one and a half stories per week (as you claim the system was supposed to let them have more time to turn a story)?

Somehow, I seriously doubt they're allowed that much time. Even if they are, how utterly boring it must be to see one story air at least twelve times a day for four or five straight days.

[ June 20, 2007, 07:59 AM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]