24p. Is anyone using it in news?

[vuphinder]

I was watching the today show and one interview looked awfully "filmy". Are they shooting
24 fps? Is anyone in news using it?

[TAFKA wacowx]

I don't think it's any sort of fps that make something look 'filmy', it's a filter used in post-processing to give things a more 'grainy' or film-like appearance. I think All My Children or one of the other soaps are doing this.

It's amazing how different film and 'videotape' look. I remember back in the 70s how different "All in the Family" (tape) looked compared to "the Odd Couple" (film). Recently, a lot of things that have been 'videotaped' have been processed so they look a lot more like film.

[ January 18, 2007, 05:47 AM: Message edited by: WacoWX ]

[Sir Dropham Pants]

I've seen more national news magazine shows looking 'filmy.' I think a recent 20/20 or Primetime I saw had a distinct film quality to one of the stories. And no, it wasn't an update of a 30 year old story. It was newly shot.
Let's make a new word for the look: how about "filmeotape?"

[Clubbeat]

Not sure if anyone is using it in news, at least on a wide spread basis but many production houses are shooting using 24p.

A couple of production folks in this market who have clients that want the look of film but not the price are shooting 24p.

Of course it's the post production that gives it a total film look.

[docoproducer]

A few 24p users: NFL Pregame show stories on Fox CBS, NBC, ESPN. 720p Varicam. NBA-TV, MLB 720/24p Varicam. ESPN uses both 720/24p & 1080i/24p, Some SD DVX100 24p is on ET & Access Hollywood. Some 24p HD is on 60 Minutes & 20/20.
CBS O&Os will be phasing in HD XDCam ENG as we speak. Fox O&Os just announced a deal for 24p capable P2 HD this week.

[Focker]

Originally posted by Clubbeat:
Of course it's the post production that gives it a total film look.Actually, it's not the post production...depending on how you're shooting. It could be a combination of both that gives it a film look. For my corporate video and freelance stuff I shoot both 24p and 60i. If you shoot in 24p, you don't need the filter effects in post (just the pulldown removal depending on camera and software). If you shoot 60i, then you'll need the filter effects to make it look like film...depends on what your budget is.

This is nothing personal against you, Clubbeat (cuz I don't know your level of experience), but I can't stand the people who think computers and special effects are everything. They have their place, no doubt about it, but I believe a good portion is in pre-production and production.

[The Thrill]

I've seen some stations use cameras shooting 24p for their promotional stuff.

I could be wrong, but I think WWE's been doing it since...oh, first example I can think of is Rock/Hogan from WrestleMania 18 5 years ago. They used it extensively for shots of Austin at a 'Mania for his latest DVD's sub-menus.

It's kind of a neat look...when used supplementally.

And what's up with some of ABC's soap operas? I swear, 3/4 of 'em look like they've been run through a frame sync with a shutter on. Not a filmy look, just...crappy.

[LMS]

Originally posted by docoproducer:
A few 24p users: NFL Pregame show stories on Fox CBS, NBC, ESPN. 720p Varicam. NBA-TV, MLB 720/24p Varicam. ESPN uses both 720/24p & 1080i/24p, Some SD DVX100 24p is on ET & Access Hollywood. Some 24p HD is on 60 Minutes & 20/20.
CBS O&Os will be phasing in HD XDCam ENG as we speak. Fox O&Os just announced a deal for 24p capable P2 HD this week.Not to be too picky, but there's no such thing as 1080i/24p

1080i means the video is interlaced. Half the lines on the first "frame," half the lines on the next "frame" and so on.

24p means there are 24 full frames of video progressing per second. Each frame has all the lines.

[docoproducer]

Originally posted by LMS:
[QUOTE]Not to be too picky, but there's no such thing as 1080i/24p

1080i means the video is interlaced. Half the lines on the first "frame," half the lines on the next "frame" and so on.

24p means there are 24 full frames of video progressing per second. Each frame has all the lines.What I meant is there are cameras capable of recording both 1080 interlace and 24 frames progressive, Albeit, not at the same time. Sony F900, F900R, HD XDCam F350 are 1080 cameras that can record the 24p cadence. Panasonic's new HDX-900 can record in 1080i, 720p, 60i, 24p, 25p, & 30p ...and that's a lot of P. Contrary what some believe the 720p Varicam does not record video in a 24 fps mode. Its VTR still records at 30fps. It just electronically tags 24 progressive fames for decoding at playback.

[ January 18, 2007, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: docoproducer ]

[Clever Produce York'rr Chatbot3000]

Dot Matrix! HAR! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TXPhotog]

Originally posted by docoproducer:
Fox O&Os just announced a deal for 24p capable P2 HD this week.I've been shooting on a 24p capable P2 for around 10 months now at a Fox 0&0.