FNC jumps the shark

[Produce man]

Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.

[Diplomat]

Yeah, that's a bit much.

But each media outlet seems to have to have its own hobby horse.

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Yeah, what a jerk. I can't believe someone would use two audio tracks to make sure they get clean audio. What a travesty.

Would you rather hear inaudible mumbling? Then you could post about how you can't hear the audio on FOX.

[ June 14, 2007, 01:17 AM: Message edited by: Hank Scorpio ]

[drink the koolaid]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Only working "in the field" for twenty one years... THAT IS HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY. You make sure the reporter has their OWN audio feed (a lav is perfect) then a boom (if there is a sound tech) or a wireless hand mic for the reporter so two channels of CLEAR audio are heard. If only a hand mic is used, audio can fade in and out as the mic is moved from reporter to subject.

[Clever Login Name]

Clearly, your first mistake was watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton. Celebrity 'journalists' are the bottom feeders of an industry that's rapidly growing less relevant every day.

[Lazlo Toth]

Sadly, it's not so far from the middle to the bottom anymore.

[JoinUsForCake]

Nicky Hilton - she's not hot, either.

[The Mockingbird]

Sing along with me, everyone!

(Chorus)

Deck chairs... on the Titanic!
Deck chairs... on the Titanic!
Oh We've got deck chairs... on the Titanic!
And we're shuffling them all around!

(Repeat)

[SpxGrunt]

I think FNC jumped the shark October 7th, 1996.

[Produce man]

Originally posted by drink the koolaid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Only working "in the field" for twenty one years... THAT IS HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY. You make sure the reporter has their OWN audio feed (a lav is perfect) then a boom (if there is a sound tech) or a wireless hand mic for the reporter so two channels of CLEAR audio are heard. If only a hand mic is used, audio can fade in and out as the mic is moved from reporter to subject.</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, those wireless lavs are PERFECT for getting soundbites in a noisy crowd. :rolleyes:

Do you think maybe, just maybe that the "reporter" was injecting himself into the story?

[video sherpa]

Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by drink the koolaid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Only working "in the field" for twenty one years... THAT IS HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY. You make sure the reporter has their OWN audio feed (a lav is perfect) then a boom (if there is a sound tech) or a wireless hand mic for the reporter so two channels of CLEAR audio are heard. If only a hand mic is used, audio can fade in and out as the mic is moved from reporter to subject.</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, those wireless lavs are PERFECT for getting soundbites in a noisy crowd. :rolleyes:

Do you think maybe, just maybe that the "reporter" was injecting himself into the story?</font>[/QUOTE]well, it IS FOX. Paris over Baghdad any day. BUT, this IS the best way TECHNICALLY to do sound. Thats why there are multiple audio inputs on cameras...

[ June 14, 2007, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: video sherpa ]

[video sherpa]

but like you said PRODUCE MAN.
"his voice was loud and clear".

[Produce man]

Exactly.

[Produce man]

Originally posted by video sherpa:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by drink the koolaid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Only working "in the field" for twenty one years... THAT IS HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY. You make sure the reporter has their OWN audio feed (a lav is perfect) then a boom (if there is a sound tech) or a wireless hand mic for the reporter so two channels of CLEAR audio are heard. If only a hand mic is used, audio can fade in and out as the mic is moved from reporter to subject.</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, those wireless lavs are PERFECT for getting soundbites in a noisy crowd. :rolleyes:

Do you think maybe, just maybe that the "reporter" was injecting himself into the story?</font>[/QUOTE]well, it IS FOX. Paris over Baghdad any day. BUT, this IS the best way TECHNICALLY to do sound. Thats why there are multiple audio inputs on cameras...</font>[/QUOTE]If something new happens in Iraq, I'm sure FNC will cover it. Reporting each and every explosion every day is pointless. That's what PMSNBC and KNN are there for.

As for mutiple inputs on cameras, maybe I'm just old school. I didn't know the reporter needs to be mic'd when doing these types of gangbangs.

Pretty sad state of affiars, if you ask me.

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by JoinUsForCake:
Nicky Hilton - she's not hot, either.I think Nicky is much hotter than Paris.

And Produce Man- Spoken like a true producer, completely out of touch with the goings on of working in the field.

Covering celebrities is NOT journalism so a reporter injecting him/herself into the story is far less of an issue.

[newz2me]

That place didn't "Jump the Shark", it landed in it's mouth from day one.

[Produce man]

Originally posted by Hank Scorpio:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoinUsForCake:
Nicky Hilton - she's not hot, either.I think Nicky is much hotter than Paris.

And Produce Man- Spoken like a true producer, completely out of touch with the goings on of working in the field.

Covering celebrities is NOT journalism so a reporter injecting him/herself into the story is far less of an issue.</font>[/QUOTE]I spent my first 4 years as a reporter/photog, smart guy. And that was on 3/4" with 20 lb. camera, 35 lb. deck (loaded), and a bat-belt.

Now, I don't have much experience with these new "Rosenblum" porn cams, so matter I am out of touch.

Edit to add: To you newbies, a reporter/photog is what used to be the term for an OMB.

[ June 14, 2007, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Produce man ]

[Produce man]

Originally posted by newz2me:
That place didn't "Jump the Shark", it landed in it's mouth from day one.And that's why they're #1? ;)

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by Produce man:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hank Scorpio:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoinUsForCake:
Nicky Hilton - she's not hot, either.I think Nicky is much hotter than Paris.

And Produce Man- Spoken like a true producer, completely out of touch with the goings on of working in the field.

Covering celebrities is NOT journalism so a reporter injecting him/herself into the story is far less of an issue.</font>[/QUOTE]I spent my first 4 years as a reporter/photog, smart guy. And that was on 3/4" with 20 lb. camera, 35 lb. deck (loaded), and a bat-belt.

Now, I don't have much experience with these new "Rosenblum" porn cams, so matter I am out of touch.

Edit to add: To you newbies, a reporter/photog is what used to be the term for an OMB.</font>[/QUOTE]SO YOU SHOULD KNOW!!! If you have the means to make the audio as clean as possible DO IT!!! Maybe the 3/4" sherman tank on your shoulder made you too lazy to get good audio.

I just don't get it... Someone uses two mics to make sure it sounds as good as it can and you say they jumped the shark.

I use a traditional size panasonic camera, not a porno cam, so now you can get back to your right wing rants.

[Produce man]

Why do you need good audio of the reporter during a celbrity gangbang that you KNOW is just going to be vo/sot?

You don't...unless the reporter is trying to inject him/herself into the story. That's what Housely did.

Pathetic.

Plus, it wasn't good audio to begin with. The subject was too low, and the reporter was too high. So don't hand me that "It's the correct way to do it" garbage.

[NYC Street]

You think it's the two channel audio on the Paris Hilton story that shows they jumped the shark?

How about their leading perv's spin on why FNC doesn't cover the continuing violence in Iraq? Not newsworthy, sniffed the loofah lover. It tells us nothing, he insists.

Um...not to steal someone else's line, but, if nothing else it tells us whether the surge is working.

And for those of you who insist (appropriately) on sources: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281694,00.html

[Produce man]

If political spin means jumping the shark, then the folks at NBC are strapping on their skis.

[facts]

I was going to say the same thing, NYC Street.

You're upset at mic placement, not the fact they were covering Nicky Hilton? And you think THEY'RE shallow?

[ June 15, 2007, 06:50 AM: Message edited by: facts ]

[CKMD]

Originally posted by NYC Street:
You think it's the two channel audio on the Paris Hilton story that shows they jumped the shark?

How about their leading perv's spin on why FNC doesn't cover the continuing violence in Iraq? Not newsworthy, sniffed the loofah lover. It tells us nothing, he insists.

Um...not to steal someone else's line, but, if nothing else it tells us whether the surge is working.

And for those of you who insist (appropriately) on sources: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281694,00.htmlPearls before swine, Street. Good stuff!!!!

[Big City]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Well, they finally did it. I'm watching Adam Housely cover Nicky Hilton visiting her sister. He's got a stick mic shoved in her face, she's saying nothing, but his voice is loud and clear. Then it dawned on me. He's wearing a wireless lav.

Unbelievable.Wow, a field crew making efficient use of their eqipment. What a tragedy. Since Hilton wasn't talking, at least they had something to fill in the space. Even if it's the voice of annoying reporter.

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Why do you need good audio of the reporter during a celbrity gangbang that you KNOW is just going to be vo/sot?

You don't...unless the reporter is trying to inject him/herself into the story. That's what Housely did.

Pathetic.

Plus, it wasn't good audio to begin with. The subject was too low, and the reporter was too high. So don't hand me that "It's the correct way to do it" garbage.You don't need good reporter audio... What kind of way is that to carry yourself? You got two mics? You got two tracks? USE THEM!!!!

You say the reporter doesn't need to be mic'd? What if the reporter and the subject engaged in a heated confrontation? Wouldn't that second track coming in clear benefit?

You say it's just a vosot? How do you know what it is before it happens? YOU DON'T. If the subject attacked the reporter and/or shooter (it could happen) maybe it would be a PKG, or probably a sound-full SOT. Do you know what that means?

Maybe in market 150 (no offense to hard working 150 marketers, there are lots) your laziness flies, but not at the higher levels and especially the network level.

[Produce man]

Laziness has nothing to do with it. What effort does it take to plug another mic in? You're missing the point.

"What if she attacked him"? "At least they had something to fill the void"? Are you sh!tting me? How low is the bar now that these are considered legitimate concerns.

A previous poster has it right. The fact that we're (well, not me) covering Nicky Hilton ALONE speaks volumes about the line between real news and tabloid news being erased.

Edit: BTW, when I was shooting right out of college, we were lucky if we had a shotgun mic, let alone a lav. Somehow, we made it work. Imagine that.

[ June 15, 2007, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Produce man ]

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by Produce man:
Laziness has nothing to do with it. What effort does it take to plug another mic in? You're missing the point.

"What if she attacked him"? "At least they had something to fill the void"? Are you sh!tting me? How low is the bar now that these are considered legitimate concerns.

A previous poster has it right. The fact that we're (well, not me) covering Nicky Hilton ALONE speaks volumes about the line between real news and tabloid news being erased.

Edit: BTW, when I was shooting right out of college, we were lucky if we had a shotgun mic, let alone a lav. Somehow, we made it work. Imagine that.laziness has everything to do with it. so what if all you had was a stick and a shotgun? So say there is a confrontational argument and all you can hear is the subject talking but you cannot make out what the reporter is asking. You bring the tape back, and the ND or EP or who ever watches it:

EP: Why can't we hear what Adam is asking her?
Photog: We just used the stick mic
EP: Is that the only mic you have?
Photog: No, I have a lav too.
EP: So why didn't you mic the reporter?
Photog: Uhhhhhhhh... I don't know
EP: Because you're lazy.

Times change, technology gets better. do you want a doctor to prescribe you medication from 25 years ago? Or do you want the cutting edge drug that is best for your ailment?

The fact that we are covering the Hiltons is debatable, I'll give you that, but basically I go out and shoot what my bosses require, and if that requires going downtown to the jail because Paris Hilton's sister is visiting... Then I go, then i cash my check.

[Produce man]

I'm with you on the technical part, I was referring to the way the video was used. I guess you would have to see the clip to understand what I'm getting at.

And BTW, it was probably the producer who wanted it that way.

[ June 15, 2007, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Produce man ]

[Hank Scorpio]

Originally posted by Produce man:
I'm with you on the technical part, I was referring to the way the video was used. I guess you would have to see the clip to understand what I'm getting at.

And BTW, it was probably the producer who wanted it that way.Scorpio 1
Produce Man 0

[Produce man]

Whatever. That's what I get for discussing ethics with an audio geek.

[Hank Scorpio]

Your argument was not ethical, it was technical. You didn't question the ethics of covering the Hiltons until later.