I Have Seen The Future Of The Resume Tape

[Basically A Nice Guy]

And it is YouTube. Because there's no need for tape.

Is anybody besides me using YouTube as an electronic resume tape? It's easy to upload your stories and or newscast segments. Then just email the link to dozens of news directors. There's no extra dubbing. There's zero postage. It's easier for the news director too. He or she doesn't need to shuffle through the tape to find different segments ro stories. And he or she doesn't have a stack of tapes on the desk for each opening.

I have seen the future.

[Spike]

Jeez, dude, how many times are you going to post and delete this?

[TAFKA wacowx]

I'm not sure if hosting you videos on YouTube is the most professional way to do it, but it sure gets the job done. I have just been hosting clips on mine on my personal webspace provided by my ISP (everyone has several MBs available to them). It accomplishes the same thing, but keeps me from associating myself with YouTube...possibly not the greatest thing (you don't want to be know as that 'nice guy' from YouTube do you?)

You already have an internet service provider unless you are posting from work or a library, so just host your clips on your own site using the Megs you just have sitting around gathering dust (every ISP provides users with at least some storage space)and make yourself a cool-looking clickable resume and vitae to boot rather than using YouTube to just host videos with some creepy unrelated videos lurking just off to the right of yours.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by WacoWX:
I'm not sure if hosting you videos on YouTube is the most professional way to do it, but it sure gets the job done. That's another good idea. But you hit the nail on the head upfront. It gets the job done.
YouTube, Google video, doesn't matter. No more tape dubbing and mailing.

[mothball]

Ah, but is it possible that a potential employer might see your desire to not go through the effort of creating and dubbing over a resume video to send in, as lazy and as a lack of initiative?

Just playing devil's advocate here. Had a potential new boss a few years ago who asked me for a resume tape. Since he's in this market, I pointed out that all of my work -- mistakes and all -- was on air every morning. He even owned a TiVO, but thought my lack of initiative in putting together a "produced" producer tape showed I wasn't really interested.

(of course, the agency went out of business eight months later -- but I digress)

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by mothball:
Ah, but is it possible that a potential employer might see your desire to not go through the effort of creating and dubbing over a resume video to send in, as lazy and as a lack of initiative?Nope. Ahead of the curve, mothball breath. Ahead of the curve. It's easier for EVERYONE. The ND included. He's gotta like that.

[Laughing Angel]

It may be easier, but it may not be what the ND wants.

[Al Jaffe]

Here's hoping the original post is correct! If you're sending out stacks of tapes, the expenses can add up, especially when news managers may/may not be overly interested in giving each tape what it's worth.

Perhaps the personal website route could work too... or a service like Mark's talent library here on Medialine will become the best way to go. The website is working pretty well for me. www.seanmcdowell.com (http://www.seanmcdowell.com)

[Mr. Pratfall]

Of course, if you put your reel on YouTube, your current employer can see it too.

[ August 13, 2006, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Pratfall ]

[LMS]

And the above post is exactly why sending resumé tapes willnot die anytime soon.

I'm not sure how old the original poster is, but if I may err on the side of a generality here, I've seen a real problem with some of the younger members of our industry, in that many just don't understand how much control of their own lives and privacy they are giving up when they throw out a lot of personal information to a public website, or publicly available blog.

For some reason, many of them fail to grasp the very obvious fact that when it comes to a personal website, let alone YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, Google video or whatever the next trend is, that not only can your potential employer have easy access to your material, so can your current employer. You see, the point of a resume tape is not just to help the news director. I's to help the applicant preserve at least some degree of privacy. If you think that there aren't people in most broadcast corporations who are under orders to find out by any means necessary if you are looking for work, you are mistaken.

And the consequences can be devastating. God help you if what you're using on YouTube can not definitively be proven to be taken from an off-air broadcast signal. Not only is it now public knowledge you are looking for work (which will come back to haunt you at contract renewal time), you may not be using company resources in a way not authorized by the company. You may not even have the rights you think you have to the distribution of your own name and likeness. Many people find themselves being unpleasantly surprised by what rights to their own image and name they've signed away in their contracts.

In short (too late, I know), you really roll the dice by throwing put your tape to whoever can see it. Best to control the information and keep your job than to advertise your intentions before you mean to.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
Of course, if you put your reel on YouTube, your current employer can see it too.Not necessarily. There's an option to keep the videos private and viewable only by the people you choose to have the link.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by LMS:
And the above post is exactly why sending resumé tapes willnot die anytime soon.

I'm not sure how old the original poster is, but if I may err on the side of a generality here, I've seen a real problem with some of the younger members of our industry, in that many just don't understand how much control of their own lives and privacy they are giving up when they throw out a lot of personal information to a public website, or publicly available blog.

For some reason, many of them fail to grasp the very obvious fact that when it comes to a personal website, let alone YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, Google video or whatever the next trend is, that not only can your potential employer have easy access to your material, so can your current employer. You see, the point of a resume tape is not just to help the news director. I's to help the applicant preserve at least some degree of privacy. If you think that there aren't people in most broadcast corporations who are under orders to find out by any means necessary if you are looking for work, you are mistaken.

And the consequences can be devastating. God help you if what you're using on YouTube can not definitively be proven to be taken from an off-air broadcast signal. Not only is it now public knowledge you are looking for work (which will come back to haunt you at contract renewal time), you may not be using company resources in a way not authorized by the company. You may not even have the rights you think you have to the distribution of your own name and likeness. Many people find themselves being unpleasantly surprised by what rights to their own image and name they've signed away in their contracts.

In short (too late, I know), you really roll the dice by throwing put your tape to whoever can see it. Best to control the information and keep your job than to advertise your intentions before you mean to.See above post, long winded pops.

I have seen the future. You are the past.

But you obviously fail to grasp that.

[LMS]

Well, I'm not that old. One shouldn't assume.

But moving past the name calling, is it foolproof? I mean, could I do a search for a name on YouTube and then be told the information is only accessible by password? If the goal is just to see if someone has info up there, wouldn't hat be enough to raise someone in management's suspicions?

However, please, feel free to call me names if it helps your argument. I can take it.

[Roy Hobbs]

I have seen the present.

Even if they like the online video, NDs prefer getting a tape to see at home, in their office or the GM's office. And it looks a lot better there than on a computer screen.

I see the foreseeable future. A lot of stations and NDs still have computers that can't watch video online.

Right now it's a great adjunct but to rely on it solely is risky.

[Roy Hobbs]

Here's the future of the resume tape for white males with more than two years' experience.
http://epoxy.mrs.umn.edu/~mansellw/album1/The%20Trash%20Can.jpg
Just pop open the lid and you'll see that future!

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by LMS:
is it foolproof? I mean, could I do a search for a name on YouTube and then be told the information is only accessible by password? If the goal is just to see if someone has info up there, wouldn't hat be enough to raise someone in management's suspicions?Yes, it's fool proof. If you don't have the link to the video you can't see it on the site.

And you don't need to register under your own name. Basically a nice guy will work just fine.

You crack me up. You sit there and offer advice and pontifications about kids who fail to grasp simple truths. And you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I bet you think Red Skeltton's still about the best comic there is, don't you. Yeah, ol' Red and Bob Hope. Can't beat them. And this rock and roll's a fad.

Here's a newsflash for you, grandpa. The industry standard is now the computer. There's been such a thing as non linear editing introduced since you last went to sleep some ten years ago. And every kid coming out of college knows only how to edit on a computer. What's a tape?

There's been a lot that's happened since you spent your rookie days deleloping film. The only thing unchanged is that you're still in the dark.

Go feed your horse gramps. That buggy ride to work tomorrow's gonna come quick. And before you turn in tonight, take a look around. Somewhere around your assisted living home they've got a great big bowl of oatmeal with your name on it. Ask one of the attendants for help. Then ask him to turn up the gramaphone. I hear that new Rudy Valle record's a gasser.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
I have seen the present.
Even if they like the online video, NDs prefer getting a tape to see at home, in their office or the GM's office. Things change. I'm ahead of the curve. When I send my resume via a link, the ND will know that I'm on the cutting edge. I'll ask if a tape is preferred, and if so, I'll send one.

But I'll have a reciept acknowledged message telling me who's interested and who isn't. And that's more that the mailman will tell me any day.

This is the future. And it is better.

[adam & doctor drew]

Basically a Nice Guy.. (and is that ever a misleading board name).... stop being such a jerk.

this is a message board where people trade opinions.
it's a free country.
people have the right to disagree with you.

your post makes you seem condescending and arrogant.
and the name-calling is junior high stuff.
if you're truly in the business, you should be above that.

obviously you have all the answers..... (although you clearly don't have a great job or you wouldn't be so caught up in a resume tape discusssion).

but be a little more open-minded to other people's views.
it won't kill you.

[ August 13, 2006, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: adam & doctor drew ]

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by adam & doctor drew:
this is a message board where people trade opinions.
it's a free country.
people have the right to disagree with you.
be a little more open-minded to other people's views.Well, I guess you told me. If you don't like my opinions, too damn bad.

It's a free contry? How charmingly loquacious. And original. Got a bumper sticker on your car, don't you?

You seem real open minded. I learned a lot.

[adam & doctor drew]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by adam & doctor drew:
this is a message board where people trade opinions.
it's a free country.
people have the right to disagree with you.
be a little more open-minded to other people's views.Well, I guess you told me. If you don't like my opinions, too damn bad.

It's a free contry? How charmingly loquacious. And original. Got a bumper sticker on your car, don't you?

You seem real open minded. I learned a lot.</font>[/QUOTE]okay, you're now officially an a-hole.
keep right on thinking you've got all the answers.
and enjoy Oklahoma.
I've got a feeling you'll be there a while.
loser.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

What a cutting retort. Shakespeare of the Saulukees. I guess you get a lot of that wit from watching the man show.

[LMS]

Well, I guess I've been put in my place.

I think our friend "Nice Guy" is just trying to get some of us riled. Not a problem. I've heard worse. I remember back when we were eating raw Mastodon and some young punk came along with that new fangled "fire..." I'll tell you, that cooked meat took some getting used to. Damn kids with their wheels and the fire and the modern thinking.

Like I said, I'm not that old. Old enough to treat every new technology as a useful tool, but a tool nonetheless.

As for the attitude, I don't know if our friend "Nice Guy" is old enough to know that his quote comes from Pogo ("I have seen the future, and it is us.") but it's kind of the textbook definition of irony that he paraphrases a quote from the 1930's and then blasts anyone who disagrees with him as hopelessly out of touch.

Indeed, I have seen the future, and if it is "Nice Guy," and "Nice Guy" is us, we have bigger problems than not knowing the finer points of video distribution via YouTube.

ttfn

[ August 13, 2006, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: LMS ]

[anti-spam]

low post count, smart a$$ remarks,

Michael Crook anyone?

[Mighty Dyckerson]

Look everybody, I found Nice Guy's YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6370dFAj4)!

[TAFKA wacowx]

Geez...a nice guy you ain't.... :(

Anyone who just lambasts other's opinions as just completely and totally wrong without the least bit of consideration will not have a long life on this board. Take it to tvspy if you want to fight. Just about every poster on this thread has offered some very good input and questions you need to consider and in just about every case, you have only turned it around to mock him or her.

Have you landed a job through YouTube since you are so ultimately convinced this is the ONLY way to to a job hunt from this day forward?

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by LMS:
Well, I guess I've been put in my place. Try to stay on topic old man. Remember what it was? Ihave seen the future of the resume tape.

[Purplehaze]

Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
Here's the future of the resume tape for white males with more than two years' experience.
http://epoxy.mrs.umn.edu/~mansellw/album1/The%20Trash%20Can.jpg
Just pop open the lid and you'll see that future!You know which ponds in which to cast your line.

[Meow Meow]

I already send my reel and resume to NDs via email and online video hosting. I receive great responses from my electronic submissions. Usually the ND wants me to send a hard copy as a follow up, but online resumes are a great way to start.

[ August 13, 2006, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: Meow Meow ]

[Roy Hobbs]

Originally posted by anti-spam:
low post count, smart a$$ remarks,

Michael Crook anyone?Yup. Exactly what I thought.

I see the future and it's banned.

[Vulcan]

"Basically a nice guy" is the future of this industry. Get it done cheap cheap, and quality be damned.

That's why I'm now in a better job, and not dealing with the know-it-all attitudes of snotnoses who think 30 is the wrong side of the hill.

I'm glad you're saving money on sending tapes. However, your willingness to do the job for less will be seen as your greatest asset. Enjoy your permanently degraded salary history, and stop begging me for an increase in your minimum wage job.

[Signature on File]

All this electronic stuff is going to cause global warming! The electronic fusion of the isoparticles and the zeposhphere will create droughts and floods that we have never experienced before. Quick!, hurry and get your sunscreen and rubber boots while they last.

[WalMartNation]

Putting your tape on the web is great... if ND's care enough to check... some will, some won't.

If the job posting says to send a tape... send a tape. If it says send a tape or DVD... then send a tape or DVD. Following basic instructions is a small start to showing a potential employer that you're worth hiring.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Meow Meow:
I already send my reel and resume to NDs via email. I use www.yousendit.com. (http://www.yousendit.com.) I receive great responses from my electronic submissions. Usually the ND wants me to send a hard copy as a follow up, but online resumes are a great way to start.Welcome to the future. It's nice, aint it?

[TAFKA wacowx]

BANG,

It's not so much the using the internet to host your video, it's the location you are using that raised eyebrows. Hosting on YouTube is like sending out your tape with a handwritten label wrapped up in a small envelope which crushes your resume and cover letter...it screams 'unprofessional'.

I think everyone agrees that some way to show your video online is the way to go, but YouTube certainly isn't the correct way to do it. I still say that even if you have a limited access YouTube page, you are still going to get links to other, possibly inappropriate videos down the right side of the page, something I surely don't want...or what if they are TOTALLY appropriate and are airchecks of other talented reporters or anchors...the ND clicks on their videos, likes THEM better and gets in touch with them for a job...all thanks to you. You won't have this problem on your own website.

[sonorandesert]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
Of course, if you put your reel on YouTube, your current employer can see it too.Not necessarily. There's an option to keep the videos private and viewable only by the people you choose to have the link.</font>[/QUOTE]Perhaps the ND has his/her own account, separate from the station email or their own private primary email?
Do you have your ND's private email address?

Just wondering.

[Mighty Dyckerson]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
Welcome to the future. It's nice, aint it?Not if you're in it.

[The Mockingbird]

1) The phrase "It's a free country", isn't loquacious, it's trite.

2) The plural of Saluki is Salukis.

Thanks.

[Brain Cramp]

Surely I'm not the only one who has a News Director who is 50+ years old, an alcoholic who's just putting in his time before he can get the hell out, doesn't care about crap, and would no more go to his computer to look for someone's "tape" then he'd be interested in what's going on in the world. My News Director has always shoved tapes into his old VHS machine, mumbled stuff like "nice t!ts" and "I'd do her" while farting and burping. He'd hire the one who made his prick stand up fastest. I don't think he has any plans of changing his method of choosing a new hire. We can only hope that, by comparison, YouTube is the future.

And, no, I was not hired by him.

[TV Dad]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
Welcome to the future. It's nice, aint it?Don't you love computer geeks? LOL They learn a little technology and they think they've got the world by the cajones. Okay...yes...online posting of resumes may well be the wave of the future. Happy now? The HUGE question is "how far into the future?" Most folks need jobs NOW and can't wait 1..2...5..10 years for the rest of the world to catch up to how cool we are. And make no mistake about it. The majority of news directors you're trying to appeal to are old guys/gals. Guys/gals who may not have totally embraced the internet yet. It's a lesson you need to learn that will serve you well in your television career. "Know your audience!"

[No Talent Hack]

BC - I think I've been in this NDs office. He was eating a tuna salad sandwich while I was interviewing...he was spitting out food left and right, crumbs all over his mouth and shirt. Nasty.

Needless to say I didn't go work for him either.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by The Mockingbird:
1) The phrase "It's a free country", isn't loquacious, it's trite.And you have trouble understanding sarcasm.

[mothball]

Originally posted by No Talent Hack:
BC - I think I've been in this NDs office. He was eating a tuna salad sandwich while I was interviewing...he was spitting out food left and right, crumbs all over his mouth and shirt. Nasty.

Needless to say I didn't go work for him either....oh yeah, him. Dude never looked me in the eye -- he was too busy posting on an internet sex site while I was giving my schpiel.

Gotta love EEO.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Al Jaffe:
Here's hoping the original post is correct! If you're sending out stacks of tapes, the expenses can add up, especially when news managers may/may not be overly interested in giving each tape what it's worth.

Perhaps the personal website route could work too... or a service like Mark's talent library here on Medialine will become the best way to go. The website is working pretty well for me. www.seanmcdowell.com (http://www.seanmcdowell.com)Oh, I'm correct all right.

The future of the resume tape is YouTube, or something very much like it. Because there's no need for tape.

Is anybody besides me using YouTube as an electronic resume tape? It's easy to upload your stories and or newscast segments. Then just email the link to dozens of news directors. There's no extra dubbing. There's zero postage. It's easier for the news director too. He or she doesn't need to shuffle through the tape to find different segments ro stories. And he or she doesn't have a stack of tapes on the desk for each opening.

I have seen the future. You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.

[ZuZu's Petals]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
I have seen the present.
Even if they like the online video, NDs prefer getting a tape to see at home, in their office or the GM's office. Things change. I'm ahead of the curve. When I send my resume via a link, the ND will know that I'm on the cutting edge. I'll ask if a tape is preferred, and if so, I'll send one.

But I'll have a reciept acknowledged message telling me who's interested and who isn't. And that's more that the mailman will tell me any day.

This is the future. And it is better.</font>[/QUOTE]Jeez, chill Guy.
About three years ago, I posted on here asking if people thought sending a DVD reel in lieu of tape would be accepted. I got an overwhelming NO. Someone else posted the same question since then. Still NO.
If NDs can't be bothered to accept DVDs what makes you think the majority are ready to go to the internet.
Sure some do. Mark's feature talent of the day proves that. But that doesn't mean there is not a standard... and it's best to go with the standard.

I only got part way through the first page of posts - so I may be repeating someone else's thoughts. But you became so arrogant and snotty I couldn't bother to read anymore.

Not so say it's not a good idea, but don't be defensive when other people who have obviously been doing this a lot longer than you have, give you credible reasoning and advice.

It's probably safe to say, by now, most respondants here don't want to work with you.

[adam &amp; doctor drew]

Oh, I'm correct all right.

The future of the resume tape is YouTube, or something very much like it. Because there's no need for tape.

Is anybody besides me using YouTube as an electronic resume tape? It's easy to upload your stories and or newscast segments. Then just email the link to dozens of news directors. There's no extra dubbing. There's zero postage. It's easier for the news director too. He or she doesn't need to shuffle through the tape to find different segments ro stories. And he or she doesn't have a stack of tapes on the desk for each opening.

I have seen the future. You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.didn't you already post this?
why yes, of course you did. (http://www.medialine.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050170;p=1)

I guess it's easy to lose track.
after all, how many people have you irritated on this one thread alone?
is it 10?
15?

[ August 15, 2006, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: adam & doctor drew ]

[Meow Meow]

Originally posted by ZuZu's Petals:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
I have seen the present.
Even if they like the online video, NDs prefer getting a tape to see at home, in their office or the GM's office. Things change. I'm ahead of the curve. When I send my resume via a link, the ND will know that I'm on the cutting edge. I'll ask if a tape is preferred, and if so, I'll send one.

But I'll have a reciept acknowledged message telling me who's interested and who isn't. And that's more that the mailman will tell me any day.

This is the future. And it is better.</font>[/QUOTE]Jeez, chill Guy.
About three years ago, I posted on here asking if people thought sending a DVD reel in lieu of tape would be accepted. I got an overwhelming NO. Someone else posted the same question since then. Still NO.
If NDs can't be bothered to accept DVDs what makes you think the majority are ready to go to the internet.
Sure some do. Mark's feature talent of the day proves that. But that doesn't mean there is not a standard... and it's best to go with the standard.

I only got part way through the first page of posts - so I may be repeating someone else's thoughts. But you became so arrogant and snotty I couldn't bother to read anymore.

Not so say it's not a good idea, but don't be defensive when other people who have obviously been doing this a lot longer than you have, give you credible reasoning and advice.

It's probably safe to say, by now, most respondants here don't want to work with you.</font>[/QUOTE]Well in all fairness - many news directors do not have DVD players in the office, but most of them DO have the internet.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Meow Meow:
Well in all fairness - many news directors do not have DVD players in the office, but most of them DO have the internet.Bingo!

It was a bad analogy to begin with. Sending out dvds still required dubbing and mailing. And it wasn't that much if any easier to view than tapes.

Youtube is.

Plus, if NDs were gonna sit and view tapes, they'd want all their candidates on one format, not a collection of vhs, dvd, DVC pro. Hell, they're not looking for the sharpest cleanest picture. They're looking for the easiest, yet best way to see what you've done and what you bring to them. A reel of 25 stories or more and sample anchoring all set right before them to choose one, two or more is the answer to their prayers. And the future of the resume tape.

They don't even have to get out of their chair. Just click.

Pay no attention to the trolls or the old geezers. They'll eventually just fade away.

[TAFKA wacowx]

In fact, I will argue it's even more difficult...or at the very least, more time consuming to load and view a stack of 10 DVDs compared to 10 VHS tapes.

But BANG, you continue to ignore my question to you about the problems of YouTube...the random videos along the side that will even appear on your 'private' clips, the possibility of other anchors or reporters showing up on that page as well... potentially better candidates than you.

Why do you insist on praising YouTube when these considerable concerns with that form of resume dissemination have been presented?

I'm not one of the so-called dinosaurs, in fact, I believe that most of us on this thread basically agree that sending links to clips is the future, but your method leaves a WHOLE lot to be desired...and it's not like you can't do it professionally right now...heck even 5-6 years ago anyone with an iMac and a MiniDV camera could easily create and host his or her videos online, you are just doing it half-a$$ed in my opinion by using a service that is far from professional.

What do you do for a paper resume? Point people to your myspace page? :rolleyes:

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by ZuZu's Petals:
Not so say it's not a good idea, but don't be defensive when other people who have obviously been doing this a lot longer than you have, give you credible reasoning and advice.Credible? Resonable?

Some old geezer gets on here and says for some reason I "fail to grasp the very obvious fact" that I'm giving up privacy by putting something on the net.

Stupid old man. Guess what pops? I'm giving up privacy by mailing a resume tape. Oh, my God! I've just divulged my home address! Oh, my God! I've just divulged my home phone number! Oh, my God! I've just written a specific coverletter and included a resume which includes every place I've ever worked! OH MY GOD!

Then he goes on to say that I don't own the editing equipment so what I'm doing is illegal?

EVERY resume tape - even the one he's familiar wtih - IS ILLEGAL?

First he insults me - and everyone else under 50 - by insisting we fail to grasp "the obvious" fact the Internet is public.

What he "fails to grasp" is that that divulging personal and professional information over the Internet can be a private interaction. Heard of email?

Then he suggests, in such sartorial tones that it made want to puke, that making any kind of resume tape is illegal and I should be frightened. It's your bosses editing equipment. You can't use it to further your career. Your boss owns your likeness, you can't show it to anyone else in hope of getting a job.

What a crock. Who listens to this crap around here?

Well I think I have the obligation to point out such nonsense is nonsense, even if I'm going to be attacked for being insenstive about it.

Oh, I can be genial. I can obfuscate my meaning. I can politely compliment the old guy and beg his approval to disagree. But hey, I didn't want my point to be missed. And I wanted to blow back his gray hair and let him know just how stupid he is.

Someone should do it. Might as well be me.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by WacoWX:
In fact, I will argue it's even more difficult...or at the very least, more time consuming to load and view a stack of 10 DVDs compared to 10 VHS tapes.I don't know who you're arguing with.

I have seen the future of the resume tape. And it is youtube (or something similar) which can store dozens of stories in an electronic file and be emailed to a ND. Where he can watch your work without downloading any software, without getting out of his chair.

[TAFKA wacowx]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by WacoWX:
In fact, I will argue it's even more difficult...or at the very least, more time consuming to load and view a stack of 10 DVDs compared to 10 VHS tapes.I don't know who you're arguing with.

I have seen the future of the resume tape. And it is youtube (or something similar) which can store dozens of stories in an electronic file and be emailed to a ND. Where he can watch your work without downloading any software, without getting out of his chair.</font>[/QUOTE]That wasn't directed at you of course, just other people who feel DVDs are better than VHS....what about my other questions?

btw...are you any relation to Sir Speedy?

[MichaelPS]

I can get where Basically is coming from. I just don't understand the anger and the disrespect.

Before he directs that anger my way, let me say that yes, in theory, online is the way to go. Truth in advertising, my own business offers this service to clients, and I'm surprised more people don't use it. And, further disclosure, I'm 35. Old enough to have shot 3/4", too young for film, but tech savvy enough to want to spot new trends before they max out. Heck, I have to, my career depends on it. I'm no longer in daily news, but I do talk to about half a dozen or so news directors a week (different ones every week, to be clear) and while this is only a fraction of what my little company does, it's enough to have somewhat of a good overview of what's going on.

And again, while online may be the future, it's not there yet. You just wouldn't believe how non tech savvy some news directors are. Oddly enough, although I don't believe them, some of them say the biggest problem with online resumes is that there's no way for them to prove that viewing them this way meets EEOC requirements. I think there's a workaround for this, but as with many things, it's not so much the real problems that cause technology to fail as much as the perceived problems with the technology. If that weren't the case, we would have spent the 1980's enjoying the wonders of Betamax.

And the way to deal with "older" people who may not be on board with what an evangelical idea is not to insult them. Like i said, I'm 35, not too old, and not that young, but even I found the need to resort to name calling a little off putting Those are, after all, the people who can help you get ahead, the people who hire you, and the people who fire you. Older people are not opposed to technology. They just aren't early adopters, because experience has told them to wait it out and see what happens.

I think Basically might win more converts to his cause if he was... well, a nicer guy.

Michael Schwartz
Trailhead Productions

-------
Addition:

As I write this, at 11:06 CDT, I tried to log into YouTube. The homepage has this system wide message:

"We're currently putting out some new features, sweeping out the cobwebs and zapping a few gremlins.

We'll be back later. In the meantime, please enjoy a layman's explanation of our website... "

My feeling is that while online may be the future, in the *present*, YouTube is not. I can only imagine what would happen if this is the moment the ND has to look at reels, and he can't access mine right when he wants because of the site is down for repairs. Whether we like it or not, tapes in hand are, for all intents and purposes, video on demand. ND's are the most type A people you will ever meet. They want it when they want it. and if the site is down, as it is at this moment, you might have lost your chance. Maybe they'll come back later and try again, or maybe they're ticked that you as an applicant picked an unreliable delivery method like YouTube that goes down like this from time to time. Maybe YouTube in particular is rolling the dice with your career.

In short, tapes may be old fashioned, but as this fortuitous random YouTube happening has pointed out, tapes are the lowest common denominator that works. Sometimes a system that works beats a system that doesn't work.

My apologies for the lengthy post
MPS

[ August 15, 2006, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: MichaelPS ]

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by MichaelPS:
let me say that yes, in theory, online is the way to go. Truth in advertising, my own business offers this service to clients, and I'm surprised more people don't use it. That's what I'm talking about.

The disrespect is an appropriate response to the disrespect shown me in a sweeping generaliation of "young people" who "fail to grasp".

So I said old people are stupid and outdated.

What's the dif?

The difference is that I knew what I was talking about while the old fart didn't have a clue. So let that be a lesson to him. Even though I doubt that he took anything away from it. Old dogs, new tricks, you know.

Youtube is down? Yes, for a moment. Does your server have a guarantee that it'll never get hit by lightening. There are inherent problems with any system. Can't a vhs tape get lost in the mail?

Nothing's perfect. We can agree to that. Is youtube, or something like it the future? You bet your ass it is.

[adam &amp; doctor drew]

I think you should say "I have seen the future" a few more times.

then go somewhere far away and see it.

although I guess you couldn't get much further away than Oklahoma.

PS, Michael, good post with some interesting (and true) points.

[ August 15, 2006, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: adam & doctor drew ]

[TAFKA wacowx]

They are both fine young reporters. I wish them well.

[Mr. Pratfall]

Now that I know "Mothball Breath" is a term of respect, I think I'll use it in my daily communication.

[Mr. Pratfall]

A couple of years ago, I had some resume DVDs made, which I thought were pretty slick. And if the ad said "Send a tape," I'd send the DVD (which had the option of playing additional material after the first 7 minute "reel") AND a tape. In the interviews, one person said that she appreciated the fact that I did what the listing said to do.

If I were to put my reel on YouTube (although I'm still not sold on the privacy issue), I would still send a tape or DVD and mention that you could see the contents of the tape and more material on YouTube. That way, if YouTube is down (like it is currently), or the manager's computer doesn't have the right Flash plugin, no loss.

In my experience, managers and NDs (epsecially in mid/small markets) aren't the most technologically savvy lot. If they have to get someone to help them, chances are you've already lost the battle.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by adam & doctor drew:
I think you should say "I have seen the future" a few more times.I wish you could stay on topic and add something to the disscussion, or go away like a good little troll.

I have seen the future of the resume tape. Have you?

[News Is Broken]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:

I have seen the future of the resume tape. Have you?No you haven't. THIS is the future of the resume tape:
http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/dbfiles/news/4E27.jpg

because that is how much experience is now needed to be a TV news reporter.

Thank you, drive thru please.

[adam &amp; doctor drew]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by adam & doctor drew:
I think you should say "I have seen the future" a few more times.I wish you could stay on topic and add something to the disscussion, or go away like a good little troll.

I have seen the future of the resume tape. Have you?</font>[/QUOTE]I've seen the future of YOUR resume tape.
it's in the recycle box with all the other arrogant, know-it-all losers from Oklahoma.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
In my experience, managers and NDs (epsecially in mid/small markets) aren't the most technologically savvy lot.True, but they know how to use email. They know how to click On a link. Presto. It's that easy.

I have seen the future of the resume tape.

[ August 15, 2006, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Basically A Nice Guy ]

[TV Dad]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
True, but they know how to use email. They know how to click no a link. Presto. It's that easy.

I have seen the future of the resume tape.And hopefully their station doesn't have some sort of web nanny that blocks access to YouTube.

[The Mockingbird]

And you have trouble understanding sarcasm.There's a whole country of difference between sarcasm and "I don't have a clue", and you, my friend, have a well-stamped passport.

[The Fedora]

Originally posted by TV Dad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
True, but they know how to use email. They know how to click no a link. Presto. It's that easy.

I have seen the future of the resume tape.And hopefully their station doesn't have some sort of web nanny that blocks access to YouTube.</font>[/QUOTE]Which more and more stations have IT people putting in place.

On Topic:
I like the idea, just not the way you are trying to get your point across. I also don't think many ND's are going to change the way they prefer things to suit you. Especially not with that attitude.

[imported_Baby Cakes]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
And it is YouTube. Because there's no need for tape.

Is anybody besides me using YouTube as an electronic resume tape? It's easy to upload your stories and or newscast segments. Then just email the link to dozens of news directors. There's no extra dubbing. There's zero postage. It's easier for the news director too. He or she doesn't need to shuffle through the tape to find different segments ro stories. And he or she doesn't have a stack of tapes on the desk for each opening.

I have seen the future.I agree. The old vhs tape is dead. Didn't I see Steinman post something on here not to long ago about stores not even stocking VHS tapes anymore? And VHS players not being sold in the future?

Only an idiot would disagree with this premise.

[Paper Trail]

Here it is (http://www.medialine.com/ubb/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049939#000005)

[Media Hack]

So I got an email today from a reporter candidate with a link to her resume page. It sure saved her on postage, dubbing and shipping.

Just one problem... the link didn't work. Thankfully for her, I had a few minutes on my hands and managed to discern what the link was supposed to be. But, thanks to typos in her own link, I'm not likely to hire her.

Another candidate mailed me his resume tape on a RW CD. It has written on it, "Works on every computer." If that's not a guarantee for a problem, nothing is. I wasn't able to open it on my computer.

I have no problems with new forms of media. I can watch DVD's and VHS tapes in my office. I can use the intertubes very effectively. My Google powers are remarkable.

But... the harder you make me work... the less likely you might be to get noticed.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Why that's so funny, Hack!

Let me regain my composure and try this too.

Let's go back 25 years:

I was going to put that new reporter candidate's vhs resume tape in my vhs player to view it, but the tape's been misplaced, and I can't find it around here anywhere. Sure wish I had some other method to store vital information. Too bad for that candidate. Can't hire her.

Then I was about to watch a new anchor resume tape but it became stuck in my player and now the tape is damaged. Too bad for him. The job might have been his, but not now!

What else can one conclude but vhs resume tapes will never work. There's just too much that can go wrong.

It'll never work.

Blah, blah, blah.

I hate windbag know it alls.

Online resume tapes are the future because they're easier to use and you can access more information a simple manner. And they're easier to store.

Get over yourself. You ooze pomposity. While I, on the other hand, am basically a nice guy.

[ August 15, 2006, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Basically A Nice Guy ]

[Basically A Nice Guy]

And I have seen the future.

[News Is Broken]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
And I have seen the future.Say, would you be willing to look into the future again sometime and post the winning Powerball numbers? I'm just sayin, since you've been there and all.....

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Soon the lottery drawings will be held only on the Internet.

[Roy Hobbs]

I have seen the obvious.
http://static.flickr.com/39/85392919_7228b8fb0c_m.jpg

[TAFKA wacowx]

Originally posted by Baby Cakes:
I agree. The old vhs tape is dead. Didn't I see Steinman post something on here not to long ago about stores not even stocking VHS tapes anymore? And VHS players not being sold in the future?

Only an idiot would disagree with this premise.So, just because it's a bit more difficult to find VHS tape you are concluding that VHS as a format for the job hunt is dead?

Let me ask this: could you find 1" or even 2" videotape or a deck that played back such back in the 70s/80s at McCrory's Woolworth's or K-Mart when those were the format of choice? People in the business had access to them and bought that format tape, sure...because that was the format for a 'reel' in those days of video. Same thing with 3/4 inch tape....heck, the original 'reels' were just that reels of film...not just available anywhere mind you.

I am not saying VHS will be around forever...I am someone who has edited my own materials on my home computer since 2000 and has had the ability to send an e-mail with a link to said materials to any ND I wanted. I have DVD burners on my computer and in my entertainment system and I still say this:

No amount of saying a format is dead is going to make it so. The arrongance in saying that and REFUSING to send VHS amazes me. In this era when the job market is so tight why would anyone do anything to possibly tip the scale away from them getting hired??? If a news director wants VHS send them VHS. If you want to solicit them with e-mail and links to video, go right ahead, but if the ad says send a tape, send a tape...don't make it harder for them than it needs to be, you'll just make it more likely that you don't get the job. DVD has some major problems right now with load times. It takes a good 20-25 seconds on some DVD players just to load a DVD and have it start playing. Couple that with some fancy types who add a menu and don't include and automatic start to their home-burned DVD and you have probably upwards of 30-40 seconds wasted which in a stack of applicants could easily have been 2-3 VHS tapes.

DVD types PLEASE try this experiment: go through and watch the first 25 seconds of 10 of your homemade DVDs and then watch the first 25 seconds of 10 VHS tapes and tell me which stack is finished first. In my experimentation, the VHS stack is done in half the time. Until DVDs can load-up quicker, NDs will continue to prefer VHS...and if that means special-ordering VHS tapes, well I guess you'll just have to do that if the job is worth it to you.

[Media Hack]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
Why that's so funny, Hack!

Let me regain my composure and try this too.

Let's go back 25 years:

I was going to put that new reporter candidate's vhs resume tape in my vhs player to view it, but the tape's been misplaced, and I can't find it around here anywhere. Sure wish I had some other method to store vital information. Too bad for that candidate. Can't hire her.

Then I was about to watch a new anchor resume tape but it became stuck in my player and now the tape is damaged. Too bad for him. The job might have been his, but not now!

What else can one conclude but vhs resume tapes will never work. There's just too much that can go wrong.

It'll never work.

Blah, blah, blah.

I hate windbag know it alls.

Online resume tapes are the future because they're easier to use and you can access more information a simple manner. And they're easier to store.

Get over yourself. You ooze pomposity. While I, on the other hand, am basically a nice guy.Hmmm... I'll try to work around your reading comprehension problems and repeat my point in simpler terms.

If you're going to use something other than VHS tapes (and I don't have a problem with that), just make sure you get it right. Sending me a broken link or a CD that doesn't work isn't going to help you get a job.

[adam &amp; doctor drew]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
I hate windbag know it alls.

should serve you well for a lifetime of self-loathing.

[ August 15, 2006, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: adam & doctor drew ]

[Mr. Pratfall]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/harderrj/screencap.jpg

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Back up. Down for an hour or two.

Kind of like the mail being late.

No disaster to see here, chicken little.

[Mighty Dyckerson]

It's nice to see Sir Speedy is still around. I wish that fine young man well. His talent demands it.

[Michigan J. Frog]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
Back up. Down for an hour or two.

Kind of like the mail being late.

No disaster to see here, chicken little.Why, Speedy, you're no longer quoting yourself in your signature line.

[Michigan J. Frog]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
I hate windbag know it alls.Then you might want to avoid looking in mirrors.

[Mr. Pratfall]

It sounds like an ND wouldn't/couldn't look at your YouTube-hosted resume reel and you're trying to convince everyone else he or she is wrong.

No one is denying that web-hosted reels are going to be more prominent in the future (in fact, it's not an even remotely profound observation, it's obvious). But it's stupid to refuse to send a tape if the ad asks for a tape.

[ August 15, 2006, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Pratfall ]

[Mr. Pratfall]

On a related note...

Let's say that hackers sabotaged the YouTube servers and destroyed everything. All the video files, everything-- wiped out. And they somehow hit the backup servers too, so everything was permanently deleted.

I suppose the hackers couldn't be charged with a crime, because the computers themselves weren't damaged and could be reused.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
No one is denying that web-hosted reels are going to be more prominent the future.Look around, you'll see a lot of denials.

But I have seen the future.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
On a related note...

Let's say that hackers sabotaged the YouTube servers and destroyed everything. All the video files, everything-- wiped out. And they somehow hit the backup servers too, so everything was permanently deleted. Great scenario for discussion.

Here's another: Lets say a crazed postman walks into the post office just after you mailed your resume tape. He blasts every living person in the place. Reloads, then blasts some more. He destroys your tape. And you don't get the job.

Damn post office. That thing will never work! What a stupid idea.

Yeah, right.

[Mr. Pratfall]

Well, that went over your head.

[John M.]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:

True, but they (NDs) know how to use email. They know how to click On a link. You vastly overestimate the technical skills of most news directors.*

YouTube has become such a bastion of the blooper that I'd hesitate to tell to anyone I wanted to impress, "Watch me on YouTube!" But I could simply be old and out of touch.

I have used videos available through my web site to secure a freelance job outside of news. Someone called me based on a referral and wanted to see examples of my work. I offered to send a tape or DVD but mentioned that if he had broadband access he could watch clips immediately. He did.

I agree that this is the future. The question is: When does the future get here? It's great to be ahead of the curve. Unless your intended audience is still behind it.

*That might have been a joke. It might not.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by John M.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:

True, but they (NDs) know how to use email. They know how to click On a link. You vastly overestimate the technical skills of most news directors.*

YouTube has become such a bastion of the blooper that I'd hesitate to tell to anyone I wanted to impress, "Watch me on YouTube!" But I could simply be old and out of touch..</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm thinking it's the latter.

[Michigan J. Frog]

You forgot to repeat that you have seen the future, Speedy. Come on, now, be consistent.

[Paper Trail]

YouTube suffers first outage


Web video sensation YouTube.com, which serves up more than 100 million videos online a day, suffered a six-hour breakdown overnight - its first-ever unplanned outage, a company spokeswoman confirmed.

The news coincided with reports that YouTube is in talks with record labels to post thousands of free music videos online, aiming to move beyond being a site for sharing home videos to a provider of mainstream entertainment like Yahoo and others.

Access to the YouTube site was cut off around midnight in Australia and was only restored around 6:30am, or six hours later, according to a spokeswoman.

"We are experiencing a temporary site outage due to a database-related issue," YouTube said in an e-mail to Reuters five hours after the outage began.

"To clarify and ensure accuracy, the site is not down for maintenance," spokeswoman Julie Supan said in a statement released shortly before the site recovered. "This was an unplanned outage."

YouTube, which sprung out of nowhere a year ago to now claim over 100 millions views a day, also said on Tuesday it was negotiating for rights to post current and archive music videos on its site, and said any commercial model it decides on will offer the videos free.

"What we really want to do is in six to 12 months, maybe 18 months, to have every music video ever created up on YouTube," co-founder Steve Chen told Reuters. "We're trying to bring in as much of this content as we can on to the site."

He said YouTube intends to differentiate itself from pay-to-view or download services like Apple Computer Inc.'s iTunes and Time Warner's AOL Music, or others like Yahoo's Yahoo Music, which is supported by an advertising revenue share model with record labels.

San Mateo, California-based YouTube says its videos account for 60 percent of all videos watched online. The site specializes in short, homemade, comic clips created by users.

The start-up plans to integrate the record companies' videos into the community features of its site, allowing users to add the videos to their own profiles and post reviews like on Amazon.com and RealNetworks' Rhapsody.

Its business model is being developed in tandem with all the major record labels, YouTube said, but did not give any names. Warner Music Group Corp and EMI confirmed to Reuters that they have been in discussions with YouTube.

"Yahoo Launch is almost an exact parallel of MTV but viewed through a web browser," Chen said. "We add the whole user community feel, with 100 million views every day and user-generated content."

Getting the record labels to agree to a business model is crucial as YouTube has run into trouble in the past when users posted copyrighted videos from television shows.

In March, the San Mateo, California start-up was asked by television broadcaster NBC to remove clips of the popular "Lazy Sunday" hip-hop spoof, which was originally broadcast on "Saturday Night Live."

However, that order by NBC, whose parent NBC Universal is a unit of General Electric, was a precursor to a promotional partnership with YouTube a few months later in June. YouTube says its policy is to take down pirated content from the site as soon as it is aware of it.

"Right now we're trying to very quickly determine how and what the model is to distribute this content and we're very aggressive in assisting the labels in trying to get the content on to YouTube," Chen added.

Warner Music and EMI said they are each trying to work out a business model with YouTube. Other major record companies including Universal Music and Sony BMG could not be reached for immediate comment.

"We're obviously interested in legitimate use scenarios and trying to broaden those, and our focus with YouTube is how to be partners while protecting our artists and ensuring they get paid," said Michael Nash, senior vice-president of digital and business development at Warner Music.

Internet audience measurement firm comScore Networks on Tuesday released data showing how YouTube surged into the No. 40 ranking in July among US Web sites, with 16 million visitors, up 20 percent just since June.

Reuters

[ August 15, 2006, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Paper Trail ]

[Conservative, of old.]

"It may be easier, but it may not be what the ND wants."

I'd respectfully disagree. I put my tape on Media-line... then when I e-mailed a ND, I included the direct link. That's a quick, easy way for them to know if they want to call you.

I add, if you'd like to see more, or have my tape, I'd be glad to send it to you. Unlike You-tube, it costs. But it's still traditional enough for ND's.

[TV Dad]

Originally posted by ITS JUST TV:
I put my tape on Media-line... then when I e-mailed a ND, I included the direct link. That's a quick, easy way for them to know if they want to call you.
I add, if you'd like to see more, or have my tape, I'd be glad to send it to you. I would think it would work better the other way around. Send the ND a tape (since that's the accepted way), then add a link to a location where they could see more of your work.
Out of curiosity, I asked my boss what she would think if someone sent her a link to their online resume, rather than send her a tape. She said, "My first reaction is that they're probably lazy and must not want the job very badly." :( I think that's kinda harsh, but it did start me thinking about other aspects of online posting of resumes. Could this have the opposite effect than what is intended? Instead of making things easier for a ND, could it open up the door to THOUSANDS of applicants for a job since all it takes to apply is a mouse click? :confused:

[Conservative, of old.]

Generally, I sent a tape ASAP, and when writing to briefly see if they had gotten it... I added something like: Here's a link to my work. And at least half of the ND's I e-mailed checked out the link/tape and called me back.

If it's an immediate opening, and a short listed run... the link could be your best bet. Sometimes, it helps to be first there, not traditional and slow... ND's might actually appreciate/respect that more than being standard.

[ August 16, 2006, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: ITS JUST TV ]

[kmfdmatt]

Isn't one of the reasons ND's still want tapes is because sometimes a candidate has to get shown to a focus group, so you need a bit more portability of the material?

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not sure anymore. I've seen so many openings posted in the past day or two that are clearly graemlins/bs.gif , after the fact postings of just-filled jobs yet still calling for tapes.

It's all beginning to feel like one big flush of money and hope down the toilet.

[Media Hack]

Originally posted by kmfdmatt:
Isn't one of the reasons ND's still want tapes is because sometimes a candidate has to get shown to a focus group, so you need a bit more portability of the material?You're sorta right...

For traditional reporter openings, there is rarely a "focus group." However, I will often take tapes into my GM's office. And many ND's use a committee. In many cases, it's just easier to pass the tape around... especially when dealing with GM's who are not very computer savvy.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

I have seen the future of the resume tape... and it is My Space (http://www.reneesams.com/)

[Soul Doubt]

I thought it was youtube? Are you flipflopping?

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Nope. I said YouTube or something like it. I included Google video and that's what this former anchor is using to host the stories on her online resume.

The point was online resume. And that stands.

The future is here. Are you ready?

[Clubbeat]

Originally posted by Brain Cramp:
Surely I'm not the only one who has a News Director who is 50+ years old, an alcoholic who's just putting in his time before he can get the hell out, doesn't care about crap, and would no more go to his computer to look for someone's "tape" then he'd be interested in what's going on in the world. My News Director has always shoved tapes into his old VHS machine, mumbled stuff like "nice t!ts" and "I'd do her" while farting and burping. He'd hire the one who made his prick stand up fastest. I don't think he has any plans of changing his method of choosing a new hire. We can only hope that, by comparison, YouTube is the future.

And, no, I was not hired by him.I was hired by a guy EXACTLY like that! I talked him into letting me deal with screening tapes. Then, (pre-YouTube), I begin to get people to send me stuff on DVD. At first, (mind you this was almost two years ago), people were slow to respond...especially the more experienced among us. But the up and comers...the fresh out of school types, the looking for my first gig in the biz types...man they were all over it! I still have some very well produced resume DVD's's from people looking for on-air work.

Again, this was a couple of years ago and look at how fast technology has advanced.

There still may be some old farts for ND's out there who have not grasped the deal, but they're a dying breed. And in a New York Minute, the order of the day is going to be links to personal sites, DVD's and as soon as someone figures out a cheaper way to do it, resume thumb drives.

Look baby, the future is upon us!

[Fearmonger]

I heard this fellow is now a major market anchor. He was over qualified to be a VJ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eue6pPRKGWY

[ January 05, 2007, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Fearmonger ]

[Soul Doubt]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
And it is YouTube. Because there's no need for tape.

Is anybody besides me using YouTube as an electronic resume tape? It's easy to upload your stories and or newscast segments. Then just email the link to dozens of news directors. There's no extra dubbing. There's zero postage. It's easier for the news director too. He or she doesn't need to shuffle through the tape to find different segments ro stories. And he or she doesn't have a stack of tapes on the desk for each opening.

I have seen the future.No, you said youtube. You didn't specify online video, you said youtube.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by WacoWX:
I'm not sure if hosting you videos on YouTube is the most professional way to do it, but it sure gets the job done. That's another good idea. But you hit the nail on the head upfront. It gets the job done.
YouTube, Google video, doesn't matter. No more tape dubbing and mailing.</font>[/QUOTE]Hate to have to pull out my own quotes just to say I told you so... but I guess I gotta.

YouTube, Google video, doesn't matter. The concept and the outcome is the same. Online resumes kick the **** out of mailing tapes. And it is the future.

[ January 06, 2007, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Basically A Nice Guy ]

[Backup QB]

I have seen the future of the resume tape.
I have seen the future of the resume tape.
I have seen the future of the resume tape.

BANG must be the marketing genius who brought us "HeadOn, apply directly to the forehead." What an @ssbag!

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Backup QB:

What an @ssbag!Maybe so, but I have seen the future of the resume tape. Have you?

Here's a hint... there aint no tape.

I'd offer a snappy and cutting retort that would leave your ears burning, but heck. I'm basically a nice guy, as I'm sure you are too, down deep. Way down below that childish exterior which probably masks an inferiority complex deeper than any ocean. We two are just closely connected anonymously by this lovely Internet. And as fate would have it, we're both interested in the fasinating future of the outdated resume tape, which obviously will include an email and an online link to a tradionally produced tape, but also offer dozens of our well told stories and complete newscasts which any news director can choose to view at his/her convenience.

It is an exciting time, isn't it?

We two live in the present while so many here choose to live comfortably in the past. But the future will be here before we know it. In fact, it's already here. And I have seen it. And you have seen it. Spread the word.

[Michigan J. Frog]

Speedy, it is a much nicer place here when you don't continue posting your "I know everything and you're all wrong" crap.

[Scotch On The Rocks]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
I have seen the future of the resume tape... and it is My Space (http://www.reneesams.com/)I have to admit, this is a pretty good resume website using an online video site.

[Backup QB]

Originally posted by Basically A Nice Guy:
Way down below that childish exterior which probably masks an inferiority complex deeper than any ocean. We two are just closely connected anonymously by this lovely Internet. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a celebrity in our forum. BANG is none other than Dr. Phil McGraw. Love your show, buddy. If it's cancelled, I'm guessing your highlight reel will be online and there will be no actual tape involved??

[msanchorboy]

Okay, I'm just now looking at this discussion, and this may have already been posted, but here goes anyway.

Don't send links to youtube to Gray Stations. Whether a news director is willing to look at or not that way is irrelevant. The corperate tech guys have blocked youtube to prevent people from looking at unsavory videos during work time.

I don't know if any other corperations have done this or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Hey, there's always Google video!

[TAFKA wacowx]

Originally posted by msanchorboy:
Okay, I'm just now looking at this discussion, and this may have already been posted, but here goes anyway.

Don't send links to youtube to Gray Stations. Whether a news director is willing to look at or not that way is irrelevant. The corperate tech guys have blocked youtube to prevent people from looking at unsavory videos during work time.

I don't know if any other corperations have done this or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Hey, there's always Google video!There are a myriad of reasons not to send Youtube or even Google video links to ANY news directors. If you want to feature your video online, and you really should...use your available web storage...anyone with an internet service provider/broadband company, has storage/web space allocated to them.

Put it this way, if you are currently surfing the web at home and are writing a check to someone for the ability to do it, you already have storage space set aside for you online, on your company's servers...AOL, Earthlink, PeoplePC, Roadrunner...etc.

That way YOU control the content and access (who you send the link to) and avoid the possible embarrassment of seeing inappropriate ads or links to other videos on your video page that you would get on Youtube or other search-engine-based video sites.

[ January 15, 2007, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: WacoWX ]

[Roy Hobbs]

Guess you didn't see this future.

From a new job opening:

Come; help us build the newest winning tradition in St. Louis media.
No email resumes accepted.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Roy Hobbs:
Guess you didn't see this future.
From a new job opening:
Come; help us build the newest winning tradition in St. Louis media.
No email resumes accepted.Guess you didn't notice that the future's already here. And some just don't want to accept it.

[Roll Q]

Anyone ventured into this a little more? I'm researching the idea. Wonder how much bandwidth/space you'd need to upload say an 8 minute resume.

[slipstream]

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[ August 11, 2007, 03:17 AM: Message edited by: slipstream ]

[overthehill]

There are far too many people trying to change the system, trying to force NDs to watch YouTube resume tapes.

Until you "YouTubers" land in the ND's office, it ain't gonna happen.

No matter how much you try to change the system, it ain't changin' until the ND says so. Not all NDs WANT to watch your resume on line. Some take tapes HOME to watch them; some grab a box of tapes/DVDs to head for a conference room to have co-workers watch them (laugh at them?).

Work WITH the system, not against it. Don't rule yourself out of a job by sending a difficult format.

[ August 07, 2007, 06:50 AM: Message edited by: overthehill ]

[The Mockingbird]

You know you're old school when you call your resume video a "tape".

You know you're ancient school when you call it a "reel".

[Consider This]

Originally posted by The Mockingbird:
You know you're old school when you call your resume video a "tape".

You know you're ancient school when you call it a "reel".I know a guy who calls his video a "papyrus."

What's that make him?

[ August 07, 2007, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Consider This ]

[Basically A Nice Guy]

Originally posted by overthehill:
There are far too many people trying to change the system, trying to force NDs to watch YouTube resume tapes. The username says it all.

This newfangled cell phone and Internet is complicating everything, isn't it?

Oh how you must love the days of rotary dial phones and manual typewriters.

[Sykes]

Originally posted by slipstream:
I experimented with this a few months ago... converting a clip and uploading it to my personal FTP site.

Here's the link. (http://www.voicetom.com/Video/TomAckerman_WxWebcast.wmv)

Striking the right balance between file size/type/and resolution is tricky. I finally settled on WMV but even at only 2 1/2 minutes it takes some time to load. The video's a little grainy and the audio's hot. Flash does seem to be the way to go.
I haven't tried this with a full reel. I think 5-8 minutes would take forever to download this way.You can get around the downloading problem if you use HTTP streaming to stream the video. With HTTP streaming, the viewer can view the video while it is downloading. With the relatively fast Internet connections typically found at stations these days, this typically means that the video starts playing pretty much as soon as they load up the website, and there is no wait whatsoever because the rest of the video is downloading in the background while they are watching. There is a brief tutorial on how to do this here (google "progressive download" for more info) ...

http://www.mediacollege.com/video/streaming/http.html

Using the progressive download method, you should have little trouble streaming your entire reel at a decent quality with minimal wait.

By the way, to echo what the others have said, online video is definitely the future, but sending your video to YouTube, Google, MySpace, or any other site like that is NOT. Are you aware that when you submit content to those sites, private or not, you are releasing all rights to that content to those providers? Legally, they can do anything with it that they want to. Do you really want to give up that kind of control? I won't even go in to how many search sites use referrals to find new links to crawl and how there is a reasonable chance that your video might get indexed in a search engine even if it is "private". Just use your own web space and save yourself future headaches.

[ August 07, 2007, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: Sykes ]

[News Is Broken]

I'm really old school. I still send out my tapes in this format:
http://drawn.ca/wordpress/wp-content/images/etchasketch.jpg

[Chicago Dog]

Folks who think posting their demo reel on YouTube is a good idea need to review YouTube's Terms of Service. Not only are you posting video you don't have permission to use, you're giving YouTube copyright permission to use that video -- video you don't own in the first place.

All it takes is someone not liking you and knowing you're sending a résumé with a link to potential employers. It's incredibly easy to complain and have YouTube remove copyrighted material from their site. Your résumé gets where it needs to be, and the hiring manager clicks on a link. Your demo reel's not there. You look like a moron, someone else gets the job.

(By the way: e-mailing a résumé might not be a great idea either. Many managers I've seen actually prefer the hardcopy résumé for filing practices.)

Do yourself a favor: just send a tape. A ten-dollar six pack of VHS tapes and shipping costs isn't going to break the bank. Using copyrighted material you don't have permission to post on YouTube will land you in hot water one way or the other -- and could actually break the bank.

[ August 07, 2007, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: Chicago Dog ]

[Roll Q]

Originally posted by Sykes:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by slipstream:
I experimented with this a few months ago... converting a clip and uploading it to my personal FTP site.

Here's the link. (http://www.voicetom.com/Video/TomAckerman_WxWebcast.wmv)

Striking the right balance between file size/type/and resolution is tricky. I finally settled on WMV but even at only 2 1/2 minutes it takes some time to load. The video's a little grainy and the audio's hot. Flash does seem to be the way to go.
I haven't tried this with a full reel. I think 5-8 minutes would take forever to download this way.You can get around the downloading problem if you use HTTP streaming to stream the video. With HTTP streaming, the viewer can view the video while it is downloading. With the relatively fast Internet connections typically found at stations these days, this typically means that the video starts playing pretty much as soon as they load up the website, and there is no wait whatsoever because the rest of the video is downloading in the background while they are watching. There is a brief tutorial on how to do this here (google "progressive download" for more info) ...

http://www.mediacollege.com/video/streaming/http.html

Using the progressive download method, you should have little trouble streaming your entire reel at a decent quality with minimal wait.

</font>[/QUOTE]Great information... do most providers/services offer "progressive downloads."???

[Sykes]

Originally posted by Roll Q:
Great information... do most providers/services offer "progressive downloads."???[/QB]Yes, although whether or not providers have it enabled by default is up in the air. Fortunately, the end-user almost always has access to enable it manually himself. On some web control panels that providers use, you can add the configuration settings automatically in the control panel (in the mime types section of the control panel). On others, you have to create a file called .htaccess and upload it to same directory as your video files. There is an example .htaccess file here (you can just create a plain text file called .htaccess and fill it with the text from the example):

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/file_extensions_and_mime_types_on_the_web.htm

... there is a little bit more information about properly setting up your website for progressive downloads here:

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/streaming.htm

[Consider This]

Originally posted by Roll Q:
Great information... Yes. And only four pages in!

[slipstream]

Thanks for the info. Definitely something to look into.

[Roll Q]

Originally posted by Sykes:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Roll Q:
Great information... do most providers/services offer "progressive downloads."???Yes, although whether or not providers have it enabled by default is up in the air. Fortunately, the end-user almost always has access to enable it manually himself. On some web control panels that providers use, you can add the configuration settings automatically in the control panel (in the mime types section of the control panel). On others, you have to create a file called .htaccess and upload it to same directory as your video files. There is an example .htaccess file here (you can just create a plain text file called .htaccess and fill it with the text from the example):

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/file_extensions_and_mime_types_on_the_web.htm

... there is a little bit more information about properly setting up your website for progressive downloads here:

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/streaming.htm[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Have you created a site with this info? Anything for us to look at?

[Big City]

I've seen the future of news...

http://www.rfjason.com/temp/Crook-Regret.jpg

[Sykes]

Originally posted by Roll Q:
Have you created a site with this info? Anything for us to look at?I haven't personally created a site (I'm not talent), but if you look at any of the talent websites from Talentapes (which advertises here), you will see this technique.

If anyone wants specific advice on how to implement it on your website, feel free to shoot me a PM with a link to your website and resume video and I'll be happy to look at it.

[ August 11, 2007, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: Sykes ]

[Mr. Pratfall]

So I wonder what happened to those two reporters who erased all those tapes in Nebraksa?

[Speed Racer]

Originally posted by Mr. Pratfall:
So I wonder what happened to those two reporters who erased all those tapes in Nebraksa?In the many months since one of the major events of the history of this board transpired, I've done more than a little thinking. I have conducted a thorough soul searching on the difficult questions of Mr. Fast Guy, his hero Sir Speedy, mob lynching, defending the innocent, attacking the minority and my own personal religious shortcomings. I have done this with typical judicious care.

The result has been an epiphany. Actually, multiple epiphanic moments. The shivers come and go in pleasant tingling waves with each deeper understanding. "Justice is not always an easily reached destination. Sometimes you gotta honk your horn. Sometimes you gotta flash your lights. Sometimes you gotta roll over small furry animals in your path and leave them lifeless and bloodied on the side of the road," he said.

Think about it. Really think about it.

After 14 pages of now deleated impassioned debate, it appears that Mr. Fast Guy has decided to let fools be fools. He's obviously taking the high road. Good for him.

He left quite a legacy. In short order so many here found themselves waiting for the first times in their dreary lives on compelling legal news out of Scottsbluff, Nebraska. Some cried. Only two were allowed to crow.

That would be Mr. Fast Guy, and Sir Speedy, where ever they are.

For those of you new to the discussion, I will try to recall as best I can the gist of what they tried to tell this board from day one. It was a fantastic journalistic lesson for all.

Breda Murphy and Daniel Camp were wrongly arrested for felony criminal mischief. But of course they were completley innocent of any crime. And that bogus charge was dismissed against Camp. Then Murphy's charge was for a time in legal limbo as a judge weighed the weak case against her.

It never went to trial, but if it had, it would have had implications on every newsroom in the nation. And it should have been a slam-dunk for the defense. Sir Speedy had wished Murphy and Camp well and hoped these two young reporters would take the case to trial. Did the station explain the file tape policy clearly? Was it in writing?

No.

There were some interesting legal questions. Did they "damage" the tapes? No. The tapes are very much intact and usable. Those tapes were MADE to be erased and reused again and again. That's not damage. It's cleaning.

Was the station legally bound to have video copies of former stories on file? No. They just wanted to.

Was the station planning on airing any or all of those stories ever again? No.

Would the station likely use some of the file video in the future? I give that a very small maybe, because I'm much more honest than station management. The truth is, unless the station is doing a special end-of-year retrospective, the vast majority of that file video was NEVER going to see the broadcast light of day again.

File video should be avoided at all costs in the news business. That's why they call it NEWS.

From day one it was outrageous that KDUH station management should put a $10,000 price tag on the file tapes.

Let's say there was an accidental fire at that station and only the file video closet and it's contents was damaged. Let's say that consistent with their current outrageous criminal claims, the station told it's insurance agent that their file video collection was worth $5,000 a year for each reporter who ever worked there.

It's a small station, so that would be about $30,000 dollars a year. And let's say ten years worth of tapes were destroyed. That's $300,000 they'd claim they were owed by the insurance company. Do you think the insurance company would pay? Absolutely not.

You know what? If the station even tried that, they'd be charged with insurance fraud. And the bastards would be convicted.

The station paid those two reporter/anchors to do a job and they did it and they aired the results. They did their jobs and apparently they did it very well.

Did the station really think that keeping a hard copy of the results of that hard work in a closet for years was vital to the continuing operation of a news station?

These two young reporter/anchors have a righteous story to tell about that news operation and their roles in it. And I hope and I pray to God above they someday get to tell it. Perhaps they'll write book. Perhaps they'll erase the whole episode from their memories.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. It isn't only Sir Speedy and Mr. Fast Guy who added to my personal education and current pleasant feelings. The persistant defense and well thought out rationale gave me pause, of course, as I'm sure it did a few silent others. And even though I felt too inadequate to respond, I read. And in being a reader, I was a participant in a very important way. I didn't read only what Sir Speedy and Mr. Fast Guy wrote. I poured over the reactions they provoked again and again. And I saw the anger of others build like a raging fire on the wild Nebraska prarie. And I saw it grow from afar like a fire on the wild Nebraska prarie at night. The heat of another attack. The glow as the flames accepted another cruel accusation or denunciation. The shooting embers as the wood charred and popped in the infernal heat. And then, the unexplainable banishment and cheers.

But what happened? What they said came to pass. That's what happened.

It reminded me of another execution. I think we all know who I'm talking about. It should be obvious that I'm translating the passionate posts to Aramaic, Latin and some Greek and Hebrew and sending them to Mel Gibson for the thoughful movie treatment it deserves. The Passion part two will be "buono per l'anima, non buono per il portafoglio".

It would be difficult to adequately thank all those who widened my experience of the nature of evil. Let me just say that I have benefited. My one great hope is that others will soon follow. And also that Ms. Murphy and Mr. Camp someday can forgive you, as I have learned to do.

I guarantee that no one who has posted on this topic knows as much about the case as I do.

Prosecutors do not offer plea agreements as a matter of course. They do it only when there is a problem with being able to prove their case. They are paid the same whether they go to trial or not. The risk to a prosecutor is not financial, but rather the risk of being unable to prove the necessary elements of the offense he chose to charge the defendant with.

Conversely, Miss Murphy would have had to pay legal fees and expert witness fees (appraisers with expertise in valuing morgue footage) of potentially $50,000 to take this to trial.

I have the transcript of the preliminary hearing in which KDUH's station manager admitted that he had no idea what was on any of the morgue tapes. The examples he gave, of footage he believed to be on the tapes, were shots of "cows in a field," "cornfields," and "Chadron State College" - - not exactly the Zapruder film. KDUH had not made a claim to its insurance company for the tapes; it could describe no changes in the quality of its broadcasts based on the loss of the tapes; and five months after the tapes were erased, KDUH had not purchased another local station's stock footage which had been offered to KDUH.

These are signs that the claimed value of the tapes was grossly overblown. KDUH's first claimed estimate of the value of the tapes was over $250,000. Then, without explanation, it changed its estimate to $21,000. It accepted Miss Murphy's payment of $3250 this week and said nothing.

In order for the State to prove its case, it had to prove not just that tapes were erased, but that the contents of the tapes had actual value. Intellectual property can be valued - - if it has value. These tapes were kept and used in a manner that suggested no value. [Compare these tapes with archived footage on older tapes which KDUH kept in a locked safe in the basement, which were not erased.]

If you haven't seen the transcript of the preliminary hearing, you don't know all there was to know.

But then that goes without saying, doesn't it?

[TAFKA wacowx]

So, since the speed meister failed to answer the question, I will ponder aloud as well:

I wonder what happened to those two reporters who erased all those tapes in Nebraksa?

You did a great job rehashing the case, but what are these two fine reporters doing now?

[Consider This]

Originally posted by Speed Racer:
(KDUH) accepted Miss Murphy's payment of $3250 this week and said nothing.
So she wrote a check to a TV station for NOT damaging their tapes?

I guess I've been lucky. I've worked for more than a half dozen stations where I have not damaged tapes. There's no telling how much they could have socked me for.

Since, Mr. Racer, you have such an interest in the law, let me edify you about a point you made. Prosecutors offer plea deals for any number of reasons and for most of them they are dealing from a position of strength not weakness. Read some about a case involving this guy named Michael Vick and you'll get just one example.

Oh, and the question about the two reporters had to do with whether they ever got another job in the business. Since they didn't damage the tapes, there surely should be no damage to their potential attractiveness to employers, no?

[Mr. Pratfall]

Aw crap. I am very sorry for bringing this up.

:(

[Speed Racer]

Originally posted by Consider This:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Speed Racer:
(KDUH) accepted Miss Murphy's payment of $3250 this week and said nothing.
So she wrote a check to a TV station for NOT damaging their tapes?</font>[/QUOTE]Yes, to avoid an expensive trial.

It was far less expensive to pay the blood money to the station for a non crime.

Is this difficult for you to understand?

[Big City]

Originally posted by Speed Racer:
File video should be avoided at all costs in the news business. That's why they call it NEWS.http://joestradingpost.com/random/images/post-288045-1128143066.gif

[adam & doctor drew]

unnecessary.
there are no jobs.

[News Is Broken]

I have seen the future of the resume tape, and it is the landfill.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

I have seen the future of the resume tape, and it is the landfill.

Oh yes. But check out how many Medialine regulars have been fighting the idea over the past few years. Check out how many said it would never happen.

I have seen the future of the resume tape.

[The Fedora]

I didn't said it wouldn't happen. I always advised to send what was requested in the ad. I also advise that using a raw/basic youtube page was a bad idea. using a custom and classy site with no ads is a good idea.

your contention was always that it would be youtube...

[Basically A Nice Guy]

your contention was always that it would be youtube...

Youtube, or Google video, or myspace, anything online. Check the posts. You'll see I'm right.

I have seen the future of the resume tape... and I have informed Medialine.

[southwesternguy]

I've actually seen ads that said "send tape, DVD, or email a link....". I've done this, and actually gotten good, immediate response from ND's.

[Basically A Nice Guy]

I've actually seen ads that said "send tape, DVD, or email a link....". I've done this, and actually gotten good, immediate response from ND's.

Of course you have. But if you want to have a good laugh at some of the people around here who thought they knew it all, go back and read how they adamatly refused to believe that a ND would know how to use a computer and never would be able to learn.

And these people considered themselves to be knowledgeable and helpful to new people. But they sure gotta eat some crow today.

I told 'em. I have seen the future of the resume tape.

There are far too many people trying to change the system, trying to force NDs to watch YouTube resume tapes.

Until you "YouTubers" land in the ND's office, it ain't gonna happen.




Exhibit A (a for ahole)

[Camera 47]

Just be sure to place a watermark on any video you post. It is very easy to lift video from YouTube, re-edit it, and post it back online.

A friend of mine found someone else using his video in their own resume reel.
Not cool.

Here's a YouTube video explaining one way to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWwCu94Asrc

I claim no responsibility for the accuracy of the information within.

My bottom line- place it online and it becomes much easier to rip off.

[that's life]

I'm opening a can of worms on this post... What about an all-out resume-webpage?
It's so easy- and kinda impressive!

[snoozeroom]

Surely I'm not the only one who has a News Director who is 50+ years old, an alcoholic who's just putting in his time before he can get the hell out, doesn't care about crap, and would no more go to his computer to look for someone's "tape" then he'd be interested in what's going on in the world. My News Director has always shoved tapes into his old VHS machine, mumbled stuff like "nice t!ts" and "I'd do her" while farting and burping. He'd hire the one who made his prick stand up fastest. I don't think he has any plans of changing his method of choosing a new hire. We can only hope that, by comparison, YouTube is the future.

And, no, I was not hired by him.

BC - I think I've been in this NDs office. He was eating a tuna salad sandwich while I was interviewing...he was spitting out food left and right, crumbs all over his mouth and shirt. Nasty.

Needless to say I didn't go work for him either.

You guys think this is funny, but you have just described my ND to a tee... seriously.

[FrontierMan]

So I wonder what happened to those two reporters who erased all those tapes in Nebraksa?

When it first happened, I thought wow, those kids are DUMB!

Now, it sounds like a pretty darn good idea. Haha. I bet those reporters are doing much better than we are.